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Re: Latest state of play posts only : Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:22 pm  
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anyone read the small clip on page 62 of the sun.......Fev / Fax / Bradford ....???????


What was the gist of it for those of us who don't read The Sun?
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Re: Latest state of play posts only : Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:26 pm  
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RFL only had meeting that cleared releasing the sky money last night IIRC so would expect time for bank transfer from RFL->bulls->players to mean they probably won't see it in their accounts til monday at earliest TBH


The RFL could have transferred the funds for same day value to Bulls.

The Bulls could in turn have made next-day or even same-day electronic payments to the players (I just paid a supplier pro-forma electronically a few mins ago, and within five mins had confirmation that the funds had been received for value). No real reason nowdays why you can't get same-day value to someone if you need to and are funded to.
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Re: Latest state of play posts only : Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:39 pm  
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Re: Latest state of play posts only : Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:49 pm  
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Which would be why I suggested no such outrageous thing. Don't forget that in past times the arrangements between Northern and the Council were not the same as now. Previous plans for example included the Council potentially saving millions by getting out of their Richard Dunn white elephant. The plans were hardly for the Council to provide a stadium for the Bulls, both parties had legal rights and responsibilities, anything the Council did would have had to be legal, be of benefit to the Bradford ratepayers, not just the club. It is just that the interests of the Council, ratepayers and the club in very many major financial respects coincided. For the most recent example, OSV.

Without a doubt, the Tesco scheme which so nearly came off, but was scuppered, would have been a financial result for the district's ratepayers, of some magnitude.

However you are actually saying that the procession of grand designs regularly paraded by the Council through the T&A for decades stood no realistic chance. Any of them. If that is true, then why did they do it? WHY was the Council publishing these plans? Yes, obviously, they have no duty to build a ground for a private club, so you tell me? Or are you suggesting the Council had forgotten that they couldn't spend money like this, so all the schemes were commissioned and published as some sort of mistake? Or they knew there was "no realistic chance" yet squandered millions of ratepayers' money - for what?


Your a great one for reading meanings into posts that aren't there. Since the start of civilisations politicians of all shapes, colours and parties have been great ones for "Grand Designs" and "Prestige projects" but even with all the related development and uses proposed for the rest of the Odsal site which would have funded the stadium the majority of the "Superdome" and "Wembley of the North" plans all seemed to include stadiums big enough to accommodate several times the largest crowd we have entertained in the Super league - so no I don't think most of these plans actually were realistic, and if by some chance one of them has succeeded we would consider the current and infamous "Odsal running" costs to be a mere drop in the ocean
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Re: Latest state of play posts only : Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:52 pm  
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Which would be why I suggested no such outrageous thing. Don't forget that in past times the arrangements between Northern and the Council were not the same as now. Previous plans for example included the Council potentially saving millions by getting out of their Richard Dunn white elephant. The plans were hardly for the Council to provide a stadium for the Bulls, both parties had legal rights and responsibilities, anything the Council did would have had to be legal, be of benefit to the Bradford ratepayers, not just the club. It is just that the interests of the Council, ratepayers and the club in very many major financial respects coincided. For the most recent example, OSV.

Without a doubt, the Tesco scheme which so nearly came off, but was scuppered, would have been a financial result for the district's ratepayers, of some magnitude.

However you are actually saying that the procession of grand designs regularly paraded by the Council through the T&A for decades stood no realistic chance. Any of them. If that is true, then why did they do it? WHY was the Council publishing these plans? Yes, obviously, they have no duty to build a ground for a private club, so you tell me? Or are you suggesting the Council had forgotten that they couldn't spend money like this, so all the schemes were commissioned and published as some sort of mistake? Or they knew there was "no realistic chance" yet squandered millions of ratepayers' money - for what?
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Re: Latest state of play posts only : Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:30 pm  
Correct. nobody has been paid.
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Re: Latest state of play posts only : Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:46 pm  
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If the RFL are happy to sell there long lease (from the Council) to ABC, then there would only be two parties, the council and ABC. These two parties would then be well within their right to do a surrender and renewal. This could see a new lease drafted with new terms that both parties agree upon. Landlords don't do this for free though of course, and should the user clause change for example I would expect Bradford Council asking for a fair sum to draft the new 99/999 year lease.

The main sticking point though seems to be that the RFL are not happy to sell the long lease back to ABC.

I personally can see three main reasons for the ABC wishing to buy the long lease back;

1. ABC wish to bring down ongoing running costs (market rent to RFL) and give the club an asset [why would RFL disagree]

2. ABC would like a surrender and renewal with the council on the long lease to make some minor amendments to user clause e.g. to operate a restaurant from the site etc.[why would RFL disagree]

3. ABC would like a surrender and renewal with the council on the long lease to completely change the user clause e.g. from a sporting stadium to a distribution centre etc.


On a side note if the RFL are intent that RL in Bradford continues out of Odsal why not have the following structure;

Bradford Council
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RFL (new 999 year lease with any small amendments as per ABC's request)
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ABC (99 year lease from RFL at peppercorn rent costing approx. £1.25m)

This way the RFL get there money back and will always have a say over what happens at Odsal plus ABC have their asset. However, if it is ABC's intention to do the 3rd senario above this obviously won't be an option.


Not really sure why they can't just go back to the same simple expedient which was part of the Odsal settlement in 2000. This, the fact that if the club don't play a large majority of games at the ground, a large sum is payable to the council, is still current until 2019, I believe.

If a similar condition, for a similar or even longer period, were to be included in any deal with the new owners, it would still allow developments, either commercial or rugby related to take place on the ground but would effectively stymie any deal which forced the team away from Odsal. It may also be sufficient for the RFL to sell back the primary lease, hopefully reducing the rent to be paid. I would have been happy with a Tesco near the ground with the superdome scheme so why be unhappy about commercial activity by the owners? I accept that it isn't a cast iron guarantee but how may property developers are going to wait 25 or 30 years to get the fruits of their investment?

Main caveat for myself is just who is involved in ABC. I have been assuming the council and RFL do, but do they?
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Re: Latest state of play posts only : Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:04 pm  
Did I read somewhere that the consortium would announce today that they would or wouldnt bid for the club. I know in principlenthey have by the looks of things but issues highlighted days ago do not appear to have been resolved, whats the next step?
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Re: Latest state of play posts only : Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:08 pm  
There was a suggestion that they would know by the end of this week. Not convinced they do myself.
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Re: Latest state of play posts only : Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:11 pm  
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