Re: Ownership and twists : Wed May 07, 2014 12:39 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Are you drunk?

No don't drink FA ,

Stand away from the trees Fa.
There is no legal case you cannot even rely on precedent a pretty fundamental tool of justice.

If its happened before we do it like this does not wash.

They can make the cap fit and are not bound by any precedents.

Think I said it once before.
These things are usually sorted over a cup of tea.
Whats happening now independent alleged panel or bent is an exercise of total going through the motions.

But you know..you put a strong case.

But you will need to up your greggs meat and vegggie pasty ( Cornish to me and you when the Cornish ar"nt looking)intake by at least an oven full to compete

Re: Ownership and twists : Wed May 07, 2014 8:17 am  

And.....

You can take a horse to water,

But a pencil must be lead.

Re: Ownership and twists : Wed May 07, 2014 8:34 am  

Noble & Honest wrote:

No don't drink FA ,

Stand away from the trees Fa.
There is no legal case you cannot even rely on precedent a pretty fundamental tool of justice.

If its happened before we do it like this does not wash.

They can make the cap fit and are not bound by any precedents.

Think I said it once before.
These things are usually sorted over a cup of tea.
Whats happening now independent alleged panel or bent is an exercise of total going through the motions.

But you know..you put a strong case.

But you will need to up your greggs meat and vegggie pasty ( Cornish to me and you when the Cornish ar"nt looking)intake by at least an oven full to compete

Do you read what you post?

Because honestly, it's just f**kin gibberish.

Re: Ownership and twists : Wed May 07, 2014 8:43 am  

I've kept up with this thread from the beginning , and contributed a few times.

Couple of points.
The sanctions which have been applied to us over the last 2 years are based on rfl rules. Which have been poorly written and leave holes, which are open to interpretation. Solly & Rimmer (at times) give the impression of making it up as they go along - or listening to who/what is applying the best pressure at the time. Which leaves things very difficult when trying to apply hindsight to see if there is any logic in this.

The other problem is to do with OK's appointment. The RFL knew that he wasn't a multimillionaire, knew he couldn't bankroll the club from his own pockets, knew that the administrator hadn't released any players, except for kopczak so we were pretty close to the salary cap. They also knew the length of contracts that players had and that the higher earners mostly had at least another year to go so options reducing wages (by far the main expense) would be limited. They also had halved his central monies allocation.

It has been suggested that the RFL have been concerned about Leagues perception at government level? Also they've alsways said that they're concerned about players welfare/wages and competition integrity.


What did they think would happen when they confirmed his appointment? How did they see the Bulls managing without central funding and with limited ability to reduce the wage bill in that first year? What pressure did (and are) the players union apply re welfare?

Was this 2nd car crash inevitable? Was that planned? or was it just incompetence (naiveity) from all concerned?

Re: Ownership and twists : Wed May 07, 2014 9:10 am  

Highlander wrote:

.........knew that he wasn't a multimillionaire, knew he couldn't bankroll the club from his own pockets, knew that the administrator hadn't released any players, except for kopczak so we were pretty close to the salary cap. They also knew the length of contracts that players had and that the higher earners mostly had at least another year to go so options reducing wages (by far the main expense) would be limited. They also had halved his central monies allocation.

And yet the Club continued to sign additional expensive players

Re: Ownership and twists : Wed May 07, 2014 9:32 am  

Really? Released about 8 people who had played in the first team squad.
They signed Foster & Sidlow....
And this was the start of loaning players, which we hadn't really done much of before. So Blythe & Ben Evans on loan from Warrington.

So we reduced our first team squad by 6 permanent players, but got 2 on loan.

That seems to be about as much that could be done in reducing the squad and wage bill within the constraints of contracts which have to be honoured, and player welfare.

[Bullseye]

Re: Ownership and twists : Wed May 07, 2014 9:42 am  

We may have signed players but the squad was trimmed downwards in successive years. No arguing with the figures.

Players leaving since 2012 - 28.
Players joining since 2012 - 18.

Players in 2012 – Sammut, Purtell, Lulia, Gale, Pryce, Kear, Manoakafoa, Joseph (8)
Players out end of 2012 - Burgess, Hargreaves, Elima, Jeffries, Sibbit, Joseph, Kopczak, Sykes, Ainscough, Crookes, Briggs, McAvoy, Windley, Southernwood, Pryce, Ball. (16)
Players in 2013 - Foster, Blythe, Sidlow. (3)
Players out end of 2013 - Langley, L’Estrange, Lulia, Whitehead, Murphy, Naughton, Bateman, Platt (8)
Players in 2014 - Carvell, Winterstein, Henry, Gaskell, Ferguson, George, Fakir (7)
Players out 2014 (so far) - Carvell, Scruton, Sammut, Winterstein (4)

Re: Ownership and twists : Wed May 07, 2014 10:20 am  

Bullseye wrote:

........Players in 2014 - Carvell, Winterstein, Henry, Gaskell, Ferguson, George, Fakir .....

All those apart from Fakir were actually signed up in 2013 before the latest Administration.

Re: Ownership and twists : Wed May 07, 2014 10:26 am  

Wooden Stand wrote:

All those apart from Fakir were actually signed up in 2013 before the latest Administration.

All those were also signed up by OK before he stepped down. Subsequent owners have been left with trying to reduce wage bill Ok left them with, hence departures of carvell, winterstein, dammit and scruton. Fakir has been added once we were out of admin with a new owner in place injecting money.

Re: Ownership and twists : Wed May 07, 2014 10:49 am  

Bullseye wrote:

We may have signed players but the squad was trimmed downwards in successive years. No arguing with the figures.

Players leaving since 2012 - 30.
Players joining since 2012 - 18.

Players in 2012 – Sammut, Purtell, Lulia, Gale, Pryce, Kear, Manoakafoa, Joseph (8)
Players out end of 2012 - Burgess, Hargreaves, Elima, Jeffries, Sibbit, Joseph, Kopczak, Ah Van, Sykes, Lynch, Ainscough, Crookes, Briggs, McAvoy, Windley, Southernwood, Pryce, Ball. (18)
Players in 2013 - Foster, Blythe, Sidlow. (3)
Players out end of 2013 - Langley, L’Estrange, Lulia, Whitehead, Murphy, Naughton, Bateman, Platt (8)
Players in 2014 - Carvell, Winterstein, Henry, Gaskell, Ferguson, George, Fakir (7)
Players out 2014 (so far) - Carvell, Scruton, Sammut, Winterstein (4)

Since this thread has plumbed new depths of pointless, pathetic pedantry; Ah Van and Lynch left at the end of 2011.

Although I'm not prepared to commit to saying if they left the club or the team or the business.