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Re: Ownership and twists : Thu May 08, 2014 12:24 am  
Well that smouldering bit of rumour has finally flamed! It will be interesting to see if Sod Hall pours oil on troubled waters or as they usually do add petrol!
Marc Green should be rubbing hands at this, whether its all or partly innuendo and allegations.
Its still a big distraction for the Players, lets hope Franny can keep them focused for the Stains match
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Re: Ownership and twists : Thu May 08, 2014 2:53 am  
As the statement is on RW's own Twitter account it should I think be treated as genuine but more so because of info it contains which is not generally known. A few observations.

First, I have pointed out before that, whatever the reason for the administration or who was involved, it is a fact that you cannot simultaneously put a company into administration and effect a pre-pack. Pre-packs can be set up reasonably quickly but not instantaneously. It is not chicken and egg, first the details and mechanics and fine print of the pre-pack are agreed upon and drawn up, then and only then is the administration and simultaneous sale effected.

However quickly it is done, it follows that the pre-pack outcome is of necessity known and drawn up BEFORE the step of administration is taken. In this case the administration was as a result of the debenture holder appointing an administrator so the buyers must have had contact with and set up the deal with the administrator before he became the administrator. Make of that what you will.

RW says the pre-pack / administration was to get rid of Omar's debt, and was put together, "with the RFL's full backing and knowledge", since Dec 2013.

The statement also provides confirmation of what I reported some months back I had been told, namely that the RFL were involved in the situation whereby the agreed price for OK's shares was not then paid (RW says "Rimmer has publicly said that Moore didn't pay OK.... What he didn't add was that Blake Solly advised Moore not to pay". I heard this from independent sources and this remark convinces me the statement is genuine as who else would know about that except someone very close to Moore and the deal?

I have previously said that a deal was done to sell OK's shares but then the purchasers declined to pay the agreed price. RW refers to the "agreed amount" and the deal with OK for time to pay, which OK agreed, and then confirms that RW's "fellow directors .... thought they could legally and I guess morally just not pay what was contractually owed". People have speculated that the reason the agreed price was not paid might be because suddenly the purchasers found out about hidden costs but RW confirms that "hidden costs which they knew nothing about are just stories, all of them had access to full documents and accounting systems". It would indeed be odd if having been around for months, they didn't.

It is interesting that RW contradicts what he says the administrator claimed at the creditors meeting, by alleging that not only was he (RW) not contacted by the administrator, but also the administrator has never responded to RW's "numerous emails". It may be recalled that I pointed out the administrator had not contacted OK either, which was why OK called for a creditors meeting which was not otherwise going to take place. I am surprised that we don't have a report from anyone as to what went on at that meeting.

One recurring factor in the numerous accounts and reports from several parties that have been at the heart of this farrago is a number of serious allegations about the conduct of the RFL, and certainly RW's statement adds to those, but he is not the first by any means. It might be interesting to see what happens about RW's statement, but I won't be surprised if the RFL will just largely ignore it or sweep it under the voluminous Red Hall carpets, which you could be forgiven for thinking must rise several feet in the air by now.

This sorry saga is more Machiavellian than anything the scriptwriters of Dallas ever came up with. We can only hope that we get out of the shower one morning and find out it was all in fact just one bad dream.
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Re: Ownership and twists : Thu May 08, 2014 3:00 am  
Looks like RW (whose account is followed by, inter alia, RHP) may intend to keep this thing going. He has now tweeted copy emails to the administrator to which no reply was, he claims, received:
https://twitter.com/Rwhitcut/status/464 ... 60/photo/1
Looks like RW (whose account is followed by, inter alia, RHP) may intend to keep this thing going. He has now tweeted copy emails to the administrator to which no reply was, he claims, received:
https://twitter.com/Rwhitcut/status/464 ... 60/photo/1
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Re: Ownership and twists : Thu May 08, 2014 6:58 am  
It reminds me more of crossroads or eldorado.
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Re: Ownership and twists : Thu May 08, 2014 7:10 am  
Pumpetypump wrote:
It reminds me more of crossroads or eldorado.


I think its more akin to that American classic comedy Soap and could run as long or longer!
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Re: Ownership and twists : Thu May 08, 2014 7:59 am  
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Looks like RW (whose account is followed by, inter alia, RHP) may intend to keep this thing going. He has now tweeted copy emails to the administrator to which no reply was, he claims, received:
https://twitter.com/Rwhitcut/status/464 ... 60/photo/1


Sorry FA, I'm not getting copies of emails, rather a slightly random 4 or 5 brief paras some of which appear to start in the middle of a sentence. Is this what he tweeted?
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Looks like RW (whose account is followed by, inter alia, RHP) may intend to keep this thing going. He has now tweeted copy emails to the administrator to which no reply was, he claims, received:
https://twitter.com/Rwhitcut/status/464 ... 60/photo/1


Sorry FA, I'm not getting copies of emails, rather a slightly random 4 or 5 brief paras some of which appear to start in the middle of a sentence. Is this what he tweeted?
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Re: Ownership and twists : Thu May 08, 2014 9:24 am  
Looks a bit like someone has been on a disaster management post event copy and paste course. Just hope our current owner was at arms length from the bickering former playmates. But on a positive side should be good news for some of our legal friends.
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Re: Ownership and twists : Thu May 08, 2014 9:28 am  
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Sorry FA, I'm not getting copies of emails, rather a slightly random 4 or 5 brief paras some of which appear to start in the middle of a sentence. Is this what he tweeted?

Yep, sposed to be clips from 3 different emails
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Re: Ownership and twists : Thu May 08, 2014 10:03 am  
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The one thing that jumped out to me was the HMRC thing. How can you go from no debt to HMRC in "November last year" to a winding up petition from HMRC? The other references to "last year" does suggest he is talking about 2013. I'm pretty sure the HMRC don't act so quickly when the starting point in November was "no debt".

Which makes the rest of it sound iffy.

Although there has always been that whiff of the RFL working with the Bulls to go into admin to effect a change of ownership that had otherwise fallen into stalemate, which was why the RFL damning of the Bulls was a little bit of a surprise.

Think we maybe into, not semantics, but certainly 'technicalities', with this. You may have payments to make but it doesn't actually become a 'debt' until the payment is due. So, you may not have 'debt' on Monday but if you haven't been putting money away, you may well have winding up petitions on Tuesday [or very shortly afterwards], when the payment is due.
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Re: Ownership and twists : Thu May 08, 2014 10:18 am  
HMRC do have a "black book" - if you are late with payments ( and the Bulls were earlier in the year) you go on watch. This assumes the Bulls weren't already on watch due to being a new company formed after an administration which left HMRC as one of the main creditors.
So in this case the November payroll deductions would be due in mid December, and HMRC would have moved very quickly to enforce payment soon after. So yes you could be up to date at the end of November but be facing a winding up order before the end of the year.
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