How long can we keep being fed that same old drivel, that "we will get it right"?
The player's are clearly not performing consistantly each week,so we either get shut of them or we get shut of the coach,the thing is we cant even afford to get rid of the coach until his contract runs out apparently
What a sorry state of affairs we find our selves in,we were world champions in 2006 and yet we find ourselves in 2009 at rock bottom?

Northern Lad: don't tell me what to do please? If my posts bore you, don't read them - no-one is forcing you to.

But anyway, you seem to be missing the point I am making: I am not taking issue at all with ME's arguments per se, and definitely not with his right to express his views. I might even share some of his opinions, and I certainly share his concerns. If you read some of my other posts you will see that.

What I AM taking issue with is his incessant unceasing criticism - and seeming delight at being able to dive in at every opportunity to show how right and how clever he was - whilst failing to put forward constructive and realistic alternatives. And then his re-writing of history when caught out, and his resorting to personal insults when caught out further and he's backed himself into a corner.

And you will anyway see ME yet again trying to twist the argument AGAIN in the post three posts before yours. Note how is is attributing to me a "relentless defence" of the coach? Where would that be? Not on this thread and not anywhere very recent. All he is doing is trying to turn (yet again) what the debate was actually about (in this case ME's seeming inability to improve on the not-particularly-satisfactory comments from Macca) into some other issue (the same one as usual) of his own choosing.

For the avoidance of doubt - I exposed ME's seeming inability to do anything other than criticise and complain, irrefutably, so he resorted to personal attacks and downright untruths to try and detract from his own failure. Again.

The difference between you and ME is that you put forward sensible reasoned CONSTRUCTIVE proposals and comments, and take care to reasonably distinguish between fact and opinion (and btw I agree with most of what you said too) whereas he just criticises. If ME followed your approach, its very unlikely any of this arguing would be happening.

sry Adey I'm not trying to tell you or ME what to do, just hoping that the endless cyclical debate/sniping/point proving ends soon (I'm not attributing blame)

I've read the posts and I didn't miss the point and tbh I'm not fussed what ME says or if he's consistently critical no matter what happens, it just means that i don't pay much attention to his posts as will others if that's the trend.

I guess what I'm saying is both of you are entrenched in your views, perhaps it's best not to feed each other although i do admit the boards would be a little less active if that was the case

right getting back on topic

The one thing that is missing from the article is what's going to be done to change things for the better. I find it hard to believe that the guys can put the season so far behind them when we're half way through it.

He praises the team whilst saying a couple of things didn't go right.

To understand how to improve things i guess you need to know what's going wrong, I haven't heard anything to confirm he does other than the quote he gave about not knowing



Can anybody give us confidence that this situation can be turned around when it's not been so far?

I'd like to hear the boards views on macca and what steps are they going to take if this gets worse. Havent been to a few matches in a while but from what i've seen on sky and on here it is really getting out of hand, i wasnt around pre-super league era but i can say this about myself i dont want to see tumbleweed roll past me when i go to odsal.

Have you sent email to Duffy with those (pretty relevant) questions, for the Fans' Forum? I think the first is a spot-on question to expect a reply to, although I could see them saying the second was "hypothetical" and therefore not appropriate to respond to. I'd suggest though that, given your particular circumstances and what you are engaged in right now, your case for formal answers is stronger than most? You'd certainly get the answers reported on here! Provided of course the club chose to answer the questions...

And hey - your location just changed! You back home now?

Yeah back home, going to Kabul in august to do 6 months, could do with money and want more experience. i will forward my questions onto the right people if you could let me know where to send it to, i would be grateful.

Don't envy you one bit.

Anyway, see [url=http://viewtopic.php?t=411251this thread[/url for details of the Fans' Forum. Email Stuart Duffy at address show in first post. Hope that helps?

Respect mate


couldn't you have a chat with the bulls squad before you go?

Thanks, will get onto these people ASAP and will find the in's and out's of whats going on with the club, coach, financial problem if there is any.

It's not that bad after you get used to being away from home and working non-stop its great i'll always be the best!

I could play if they wanted me to, i'd run into mr bailey and a mr fozzard and show them how its done lol!

[url=http://www.skysports.com/rugbyleague/match_reaction/0,19936,11070_3086344,00.htmlJohn Kear on Wakefield's loss to Huddersfield[/url

There can't be any excuses. There were 17 full-time professionals out there. It's time for man in the mirror. Something has got to be done to shake things up.

Compare that to McNamara's babblings. To be honest, I'm really worried about taking a kicking off Wakey when they come to Odsal next week because if Kear says he's going to shake things up, there'll probably be some shaking happening at Belle Vue. Unlike at Odsal where it's more a case of "meh, we're getting paid win or lose. who cares what we do on the field"