[Bulliac]

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:32 pm  

Ste100Centurions wrote: A little reading material regards new stadium costs. archistadia-en: Leigh Sports Village, promoting sport and inspiring the local community http://archistadia-en.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... s.html?m=1 Of course LCRLFC did not pay for the stadium & despite popular belief, Wigan Council did not pay for the Stadium entirely at least. The whole development was brought together by the Council, Developers, LCRLFC & numerous partners. The cost of the Stadium, College, Pool, Athletics track & Leigh East Club & all sports pitches was largely offset by deals with developers. The land for a new build housing development, Morrisons Supermarket, Hotel & the pub given over to developers significantly reduced or dare I say largely paid for the sports complex (not that I have the full facts), seems a reasonable conclusion to reach. The land from the old Hilton Park Stadium & to the side of has been sold to the NHS & is close to completion of a new Mental Health Facility. Leigh Harriers Athletics track has long since been sold off & developed for housing, more cash back to the Council Coffers or developer's. If the Odsal site is able to take a large structure then bulldozing the Stadium & rebuilding new would be financially more beneficial long term than any improvements & ongoing repair & renovations. If this were viable then a design could incorporate some retail &/or hotel as part of the structure or stand alone buildings. I don't know the other site Bulls fans speak of, but if this is a larger site then the new pool, retail & leisure facilities, hotel etc could be viable. Of course if Park Avenue or whatever they are called ground shared, that land + the Odsal site could go to developers to form part of the deal & reduce costs. I don't see *other than attracting the right Bulls owners, developers & Council co-operation* how something along the lines of an LSV could not be achieved, though not on the Odsal site. A 15,000 capacity stadium is all that is required, given an arbitrary build cost of 20 - 25 £M, costs could be significantly reduced by all the aforementioned features/facilities. Now all you need is a wealthy new owner/group with vision & a forward thinking Council. Easy I fully expect to have holes ripped right through this post & that's fine, just an interested neutral who would like the Bulls & RL generally to prosper. Ste, leaving aside the figures which I can't substantiate, Odsal itself is a massive area right on the Motorway, so your basic premise is a good one. The biggest problem might well be finding businesses prepared to put their money on any of the ground available. Financially, it's far from the best time for commercial development and there is also so much closed down commercial property already available to just walk into. In many respects I think we missed the boat when the 'superdome' fell through.

Ste100Centurions wrote: A little reading material regards new stadium costs. archistadia-en: Leigh Sports Village, promoting sport and inspiring the local community http://archistadia-en.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... s.html?m=1 Of course LCRLFC did not pay for the stadium & despite popular belief, Wigan Council did not pay for the Stadium entirely at least. The whole development was brought together by the Council, Developers, LCRLFC & numerous partners. The cost of the Stadium, College, Pool, Athletics track & Leigh East Club & all sports pitches was largely offset by deals with developers. The land for a new build housing development, Morrisons Supermarket, Hotel & the pub given over to developers significantly reduced or dare I say largely paid for the sports complex (not that I have the full facts), seems a reasonable conclusion to reach. The land from the old Hilton Park Stadium & to the side of has been sold to the NHS & is close to completion of a new Mental Health Facility. Leigh Harriers Athletics track has long since been sold off & developed for housing, more cash back to the Council Coffers or developer's. If the Odsal site is able to take a large structure then bulldozing the Stadium & rebuilding new would be financially more beneficial long term than any improvements & ongoing repair & renovations. If this were viable then a design could incorporate some retail &/or hotel as part of the structure or stand alone buildings. I don't know the other site Bulls fans speak of, but if this is a larger site then the new pool, retail & leisure facilities, hotel etc could be viable. Of course if Park Avenue or whatever they are called ground shared, that land + the Odsal site could go to developers to form part of the deal & reduce costs. I don't see *other than attracting the right Bulls owners, developers & Council co-operation* how something along the lines of an LSV could not be achieved, though not on the Odsal site. A 15,000 capacity stadium is all that is required, given an arbitrary build cost of 20 - 25 £M, costs could be significantly reduced by all the aforementioned features/facilities. Now all you need is a wealthy new owner/group with vision & a forward thinking Council. Easy I fully expect to have holes ripped right through this post & that's fine, just an interested neutral who would like the Bulls & RL generally to prosper. Ste, leaving aside the figures which I can't substantiate, Odsal itself is a massive area right on the Motorway, so your basic premise is a good one. The biggest problem might well be finding businesses prepared to put their money on any of the ground available. Financially, it's far from the best time for commercial development and there is also so much closed down commercial property already available to just walk into. In many respects I think we missed the boat when the 'superdome' fell through.

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:47 pm  

Bulliac wrote:

Ste, leaving aside the figures which I can't substantiate, Odsal itself is a massive area right on the Motorway, so your basic premise is a good one.

The biggest problem might well be finding businesses prepared to put their money on any of the ground available. Financially, it's far from the best time for commercial development and there is also so much closed down commercial property already available to just walk into. In many respects I think we missed the boat when the 'superdome' fell through.

I beg to differ. I work in construction and the big jobs we are pricing for now and in the future are large retail/commercial developments.

[Pumpetypump]

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:01 pm  

Excuse my ignorance but it this whole thing a blind bidding process? For example if Koukash offers to buy us for £10 and someone else offers £11, can Koukash up the offer? Would he even know who he was up against or what they had bid?

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:13 pm  

Pumpetypump wrote:

Excuse my ignorance but it this whole thing a blind bidding process? For example if Koukash offers to buy us for £10 and someone else offers £11, can Koukash up the offer? Would he even know who he was up against or what they had bid?

I believe that was what happened last time, bids were not high enough to match Mark Green's debt, despite Koukash and Roberts having more than enough to be better candidates. Hope it doesn't repeat itself

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:21 pm  

dummyrunner wrote:

I believe that was what happened last time, bids were not high enough to match Mark Green's debt, despite Koukash and Roberts having more than enough to be better candidates. Hope it doesn't repeat itself

Doesn't that prove that, in fact, people don't know the bids? Surely if Koukash or Roberts had known that Green had bid a few quid more, they could have simply blown him out of the water with a bid that he'd never have been able to match?

A proper auction-style bidding process would be better than 'bids in a sealed envelope' - certainly if, as seems to be the case this time, we have interested parties with some series money.

[Bulliac]

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:26 pm  

RickyF1 wrote:

I beg to differ. I work in construction and the big jobs we are pricing for now and in the future are large retail/commercial developments.

In which case it should be a goer, I definitely can't find any other reason why not. Let's hope something like that works out - it would make a change for us to have some good luck!

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:38 pm  

Bulliac wrote:

In which case it should be a goer, I definitely can't find any other reason why not. Let's hope something like that works out - it would make a change for us to have some good luck!

Couldn't agree more.

[Pumpetypump]

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:33 pm  

paulwalker71 wrote:

A proper auction-style bidding process would be better than 'bids in a sealed envelope' - certainly if, as seems to be the case this time, we have interested parties with some series money.

And wouldn't that have the duel benefit of getting someone with more money to buy us, AND more money for the creditors? I don't understand how blind bidding helps.

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:44 pm  

It seems all will become apparent tomorrow after the "big meeting" or Thursday?...quite nerve racking really.

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:03 pm  

Pumpetypump wrote:

And wouldn't that have the duel benefit of getting someone with more money to buy us, AND more money for the creditors? I don't understand how blind bidding helps.

So if it was a public auction, someone may bid just enough to get it, whereas there budget may have been double that so creditors miss out. A blind auction makes people bid what they think it is worth and what they can afford.