[Bulliac]

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:24 pm  

redeverready wrote:

Ah the old chestnut. He my not have the same resources but there is one thing for certain he isn't getting the best out of what he's got and he's solely to blame for that.

I`m puzzled by your expression `old chestnut` when you then go on to say you (sort of ) agree that he doesn`t have the same resources. If you`re actually suggesting he does I`d be interested in why you believe so.


To be fair I hope your right that he isn`t (yet) getting the best out of them, but there`s nothing to suggest that anyone else is going to get more. Why, (other than the other `old chestnut` the `buck stops here`) do you think he`s "solely to blame" for position we`re in. In the post you quoted I gave a few, what I believe are solid reasons, which partially at least, explain the current situation. Now I may be right or I may be wrong in what I said but a simple assertion that Macca is solely to blame isn`t really an answer.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:30 pm  

Bulliac wrote:

I`m puzzled by your expression `old chestnut` when you then go on to say you (sort of ) agree that he doesn`t have the same resources. If you`re actually suggesting he does I`d be interested in why you believe so.


To be fair I hope your right that he isn`t (yet) getting the best out of them, but there`s nothing to suggest that anyone else is going to get more. Why, (other than the other `old chestnut` the `buck stops here`) do you think he`s "solely to blame" for position we`re in. In the post you quoted I gave a few, what I believe are solid reasons, which partially at least, explain the current situation. Now I may be right or I may be wrong in what I said but a simple assertion that Macca is solely to blame isn`t really an answer.

I'd have more faith in Macca if he actually acted on what he recognises as problems:

1. By his own admission, we were tired last night
2. Menzies is 35 and has played 80 mins in every game so far
3. By his own admission, the game was lost after 20 mins.

So why did Olbison sit on the bench for 65 mins meaning we effectively played with 16 men when we could have spelled players like Menzies. Positions were hardly the issue last night, we could have played anyone anywhere and they wouldn't have been much worse.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:39 pm  

I didn't hear much booing, it was mainly shocked silence.
There was 1 man, yes 1 man only, in the family satnd trying to get a chant of "We want Macca out" and "Sack the coach" going. But noone joined in. He looked fairly stupid. So what does that show? Support for Macca or just general apathy?
I suggest the latter, which is more worrying as has already been suggested on here. People are starting to not care, to not be bothered if we win or lose.
We came back early from holiday to go to last night's game. We had season tickets so we thought we should.
Will we bother next time? It's probably doubtful at the moment.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:42 pm  

will have to see what it is all about at odsal at the moment as i'm having a really hard time at work in the past 2 weeks. and cant get no time off

[Bulliac]

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:18 pm  

Asim wrote:

Let's not do anything because we don't know for sure that it will work.

Good job that isn't the way man has gone about life isn't it?

No quote but I guess this has my name on it

Did I actually say that? I certainly said that it can go either way with a new coach, or something along those lines.

It`s right to say that people do things without fully knowing the consequences, to be honest we do it all the time as you suggest. I`ve recently been thinking about retirement, gone into it with a finetooth comb but, of course it`s still going to be a leap into the dark (I almost said leap of faith, however I`m definitely no man of faith), but of course a leap with all the considerations made.

And therein lies my problem with the sack Mac people. Or rather not the people since they, like me, are fans of the Bulls and want to see what they believe is best for the club. It`s not the decision itself, I mean I`m no big fan of Stevie Mac, though I do feel, in many ways that he`s had a bum rap.

No. It`s how the decision has been arrived at: Were playing crap( will it print that?) so let`s sack the coach. It almost gives knee jerk a good name. There seems to be no rationale, no finetooth comb and certainly no coherent argument on this or on any other forum as to why Macca is wrong for the club.

I`ve given my reasons why I feel this particular move is both unwarranted and unfair but as yet all that comes back is the mantra about sacking the coach, certainly no rebuttal of my arguments. As it happens I`ve taken my own leap of faith (damn, didn`t mean to use that word) into retirement but (as yet) see little reason for Macca to follow me!

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:27 pm  

Bulliac wrote:

No quote but I guess this has my name on it

Did I actually say that? I certainly said that it can go either way with a new coach, or something along those lines.

No, it wasn't particularly aimed at anyone - just the overall jist of many posters, don't boo, don't leave early, the coach shouldn't be sacked, certain players shouldn't be dropped, don't get on their backs - none of this will, apparently, do any good.

If a performance, and attendance, like last night says one thing, it says doing nothing is not an option.

I can't be bothered going into the ins and outs of the "coaching" merits of McNamara and his staff, it's been done to death, and there isn't much sign of wrongs being righted that make re-visiting it worthwhile.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:27 pm  

Played 9, lost 6 does it for me

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:44 pm  

Northern Lad wrote:

Played 9, lost 6 does it for me

except if you include the shambolic cup episode its actually played 10 competitive games, won 2 drawn 1 lost 7! 20% win ratio so far this season - which if replicated last year would have seen us bottom on 11 points (Im being generous and rounding up for the draw) 4 points adrift of Cas. (although probabbly more adrift as no doubt Cas would actually have been 2 points better off ) And I've not bothered to check but it would probably have been close to relegation form for the last season we had relegation. Seriously depressing stats.

The only silver lining I can think of (and I'm grasping for any straw here) is that with the league as a whole being so competitive, if we can somehow put a sequence of positive results together the playoffs are still not out of the question.

(edit) just checked, Salford were the last team to be relegated in 2007 and went down with a 22% win ratio, 2% better than our current form Praise the lord for the franchise system I say!

[Bulliac]

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:47 pm  

AJW wrote:

I'd have more faith in Macca if he actually acted on what he recognises as problems:

1. By his own admission, we were tired last night
2. Menzies is 35 and has played 80 mins in every game so far
3. By his own admission, the game was lost after 20 mins.

So why did Olbison sit on the bench for 65 mins meaning we effectively played with 16 men when we could have spelled players like Menzies. Positions were hardly the issue last night, we could have played anyone anywhere and they wouldn't have been much worse.

I`m not sure just what leeway (if any) was available to him last night, or even over the last few weeks. With the injury situation ( I know other clubs have similar problems) there wasn`t exactly an abundance of people to bring in which meant he was always going to have to use pretty much the same players in each game. It was noticeable that a fresh Solomona was one of the better players.

The Menzies situation is a strange one. He was playing from the bench for Manly and comes over here and plays the full eighty, I`ve been fairly surprised by that I must say, but as for the reason why I don`t know. He`s certainly had a change of duty during games playing at various times, centre, second row and half back; maybe a change is as good as a rest(That`s a joke btw).

I`d guess with Olbison just being a young kid the coach has to take his developmental needs into consideration alongside the requirements of the team on a particular,night, and he was probably, to some extent, trying to protect him. It`s hardly ideal to make your debut when you`re both getting stuffed and booed by your own fans. No doubt when he picked the side he didn`t envisage those particular events.

You`re certainly right about playing in other positions, though I`d guess that if he had we`d have had people on here saying "did you see where so and so played last night, Macnamara wants sacking".........

[Bulliac]

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:14 pm  

Asim wrote:

No, it wasn't particularly aimed at anyone - just the overall jist of many posters, don't boo, don't leave early, the coach shouldn't be sacked, certain players shouldn't be dropped, don't get on their backs - none of this will, apparently, do any good.

If a performance, and attendance, like last night says one thing, it says doing nothing is not an option.

I can't be bothered going into the ins and outs of the "coaching" merits of McNamara and his staff, it's been done to death, and there isn't much sign of wrongs being righted that make re-visiting it worthwhile.

Ah well if not for me I`ll take the hit on behalf of the others!

Actually Asim, the final sentence of your post is the nub; the coaching merits of Macca and his staff (actually I had rather forgotten about the rest of the coaching staff) haven`t even been debated at all, never mind done to death. Not unless your definition of `debated` is a long way different from mine.

One or two have very recently put up reasons but 95% of the argument from the anti side is still we`re rubbish - sack the Mac. That`s not debate but reiteration of the mantra.