Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:05 pm  

andycapp wrote:

No way will I go to Valley Parade. I'd rather we play in the lower leagues than go to that dump. I suspect many more feel the same!
What about getting a fund going to build our own ground including Bradford Park Avenue?
I also suggest we drop the Bradford from our name. The "BULLS" is just fine by me!

OK, ground plus land say £15m minimum (guessing...can dig around some more).

If you could somehow persuade say 5,000 Bulls fans to chip in...that's £3,000 per head.

Anyone care to suggest the odds on that happening?

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Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:14 pm  

andycapp wrote:

I also suggest we drop the Bradford from our name. The "BULLS" is just fine by me!

I'd be more than happy to do that.

Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:14 pm  

What is wrong with simply putting a roof over the popular side at Odsal? It's not that bad a stadium that you desperately need to move, surely?

Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:16 pm  

Bully_Boxer wrote:

Well this news has really put me in a bad mood for the day. I'll follow my team pretty much anywhere we play but I fear VP would only see the crowds dwindle even further unfortunately. I fear for our long term future I'm afraid.

Bitter blow for the club, Hood IRRC said that we did have some back up plans if OSV failed. I wonder what they may be, I assume they must have involved staying at Odsal given the agreement with the Council. I think we should forget the pie in the sky dreams of a Sporting Village and try and find a way to gradually upgrade Odsal in phases. Easier said than done, I know.

that seems like logical option and probably what we should have been doing all along. plus has added advantage we could probable close off a section at a time and still play at odsal thus not having to pay out rent to another stadium and maximising our income.

Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:22 pm  

The chairman of Bradford Park Avenue wanted to build a purpose built stadium with a view to leading his team into the fourth tier of the football league. Surely it would be good option to discuss ways forward with him to build a decent stadium for the use of both clubs. We have a supporter base of around 15k and an average attendance of around 10k. Surely a couple of quid on match day entrance, an increase in season tickets, various fund raising activities and other sourcing of funds including some sort of deal with the council which will see them contribute. Lottery cash, European union money etc etc.
I dont know th ins and out of securing funding but there must be someone that does and we dont have long. The recession will give us more time regarding the super league franchise but all avenues must be explored.
We need to save our club and we need to move fast!

Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:31 pm  

Peter Hood said Plan B, C and D were all in place ready for this. I hope that remains the case.

I don't understand how millions are found for renovation everywhere but Bradford.

Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:42 pm  

£2 average increase on 10,000 bodies per regular home game (means more like £3 regular price increase cos of concessions etc (13) would add £221k net of VAT p.a - assuming attendances were unchanged. A definite help, but a fraction of what would be needed. About enough though to pay for a top-flight international player - to put it in perspective.

An extra 2,000 bodies a week through the turnstiles would add about £200k p.a net of incremental variable costs.

We are still only scratching the surface of the problem. There ARE ways of funding a scheme, but they invariably involve a large retail/commercial component (look at every new stadium that has not been funded by selling a council-owned telco?) Funnily enough, such a scheme for Odsal was knocked back cos of being "out of town" - even though the retail partner Tesco was then allowed to build a huge store a similar distance from the city centre up Great Horton Road, Asda now on Cemetery Road, the Matalan store on Morrisons' site on Mayo Avenue, and worst of all the massive Tesco redevelopment on Canal Road which will do even more wonders for the scandal of a city centre. But I'm sure what happened to the previous Odsal scheme was fair and reasonable, and had nothing to do with trying to coerce Bulls to leave Odsal and enable the council to bale out BCFC by the back door.

Without a major retail or educational partner, and/or a huge dollop of public money, and/or a big cheque for selling your owned ground, you won't get any new stadium built.

Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:45 pm  

af wrote:

Peter Hood said Plan B, C and D were all in place ready for this. I hope that remains the case.

I don't understand how millions are found for renovation everywhere but Bradford.

Maybe one reason is cos Bradford is a non-labour council in the times of a labour government?

And, scarily, you can envisage the scenario of labour regaining this council at the same time as they lose the country, so we STILL end up with a government not friendly to the city.

Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:54 pm  

andycapp wrote:

No way will I go to Valley Parade. I'd rather we play in the lower leagues than go to that dump. I suspect many more feel the same!
What about getting a fund going to build our own ground including Bradford Park Avenue?
I also suggest we drop the Bradford from our name. The "BULLS" is just fine by me!

1.) VP is not a dump, it's a decent stadium albeit one that is not in the greatest or most convenient spot.
2.) I suspect that many people do feel the same as you in an ideal world, but push comes to shove I equally suspect that most would make the journey.
3.) Would you really rather watch a pure franchise than I club affiliated with Bradford? I wouldn't and I suspect that you would be in the minority.

For my part, if it's to be VP, and assuming that we can afford it, then better that we find out now than next year. I'm in favour of anything that provides stability and a Super League licence.

Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:24 pm  

Block5Bull wrote:

1.) VP is not a dump, it's a decent stadium albeit one that is not in the greatest or most convenient spot.
2.) I suspect that many people do feel the same as you in an ideal world, but push comes to shove I equally suspect that most would make the journey.
3.) Would you really rather watch a pure franchise than I club affiliated with Bradford? I wouldn't and I suspect that you would be in the minority.

For my part, if it's to be VP, and assuming that we can afford it, then better that we find out now than next year. I'm in favour of anything that provides stability and a Super League licence.

point I think your missing is that our franchise isnt at risk this round of franchising. we havent had a warning re: the stadium as 5 other clubs have had, and more importantly we achieved a b grad last time round and can only drop one franchise grade each round of franchising. only c grade clubs can be considered to drop out. so we could drop to a c grade this round and be in danger in 2015. we can afford to wait another year while we go through the options but we will need to make a final decision in about a year.