Re: VP it is then! : Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:43 am  

mat wrote:

way they said it last time was that only clubs currently on a grade c would be considered for the potential drop. if we did drop to a grade c then we would be in the frame for the next franchising round. iirc this time round clubs on grade c and those applying for a franchise have to submit much more detailed information than those clubs on A and B licenses. And like you say provided they havent made sweeping changes to the criteria we should still be in the B bracket anyway.

I never picked that up - so, if that is the case, see what you mean and at least reduced pressure this time round.

Re: VP it is then! : Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:49 am  

chpntpsr wrote:

Was just an idea, our major sponsor will have contacts in the motor industry can't hurt to offer the unique sponsorship oppertunity to several companies, I wouldn't object to watching the Nissan Bulls in Nissan arena, the company would get years of publicity from it, and I would imagine that the story would give the company alot of media coverage in the days after the announcement

I'd have no problem with that either, if it meant I continued to have a team to watch.

The problem is - and I speak with some commercial experience here - that the sponsor's and the fans' expectations regarding what their sponsorship is worth TO THE SPONSOR tends to be a million miles apart.

Example - if a company is prepared to spend say 5% of any incrementally-generated sales on directly-attributable marketing, then if you want a £15m stadium then the Sponsor would need to be SURE of getting at least £300m of ADDITIONAL sales just to fund that...

Re: VP it is then! : Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:29 am  

To get Odsal redeveloped we need a partner.
This time around our partners were the council and the college
The other option would be a supermarket partner. Morrisons & Asda are already represented nearby. We tried the Tesco option and that was messed with. Just a thought - if Byers (who has already been suspended from the PLP) is found guilty of anything that breaches parliamentary rules - how far back can we go to scrutinise/overturn decisions?
Tesco has now developed the canal road site & the one heading over Shelf way so will not be interested I would assume.
It is a shame we could not have become involved with the big M& S depot development at the top of the M606 somehow - but that ship has sailed. An M& S store would be more of an option if we built a new stadium near Ilkley
That leaves Sainsburys. Is the store at Greengates their nearest one to Odsal?

Other partners - a big hotel chain? Already represented with the Cedar Court at the top of the M606

The main asset we have is the freehold of the Odsal site itself. We are tied to that for a few more years due to the deal with the council. Any attempt to move would be with the council's permission only.

The best I can come up with is the council buys VP from the Gibbs pension fund. The council, Bulls and City all have an equal share (or it remains fully council owned). Odsal & Richard Dunne get fully redeveloped as a 21st century sporting facility - but without a stadium. And us & City have to learn to give & take & get along - with the council as the final say

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:40 am  

Now that Stephen Byers (who wrote off the previous Bulls application with Tesco due to Morrisons objections) has been shown to be a person who is swayed by money, surely Tesco could be persuaded to re apply on the grounds of suspected/alledged duplicity by Byers!

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:41 am  

mat wrote:

actually radio leeds had an interview with someone from the college at teatime. she explicitly said the college was never going to be putting any actual funds into the scheme. They were only planning on leasing some of the space created as part of the scheme. bit of sensationalist reporting from t&a their.

They also had an interview with guy from council who said scheme is still being pushed on with. what this means is the 18000 all seater with the bowl filled in is definitely off the agenda. It'll probably mean best case we get a roof and extra seating built within the existing structure ( which is a, cheaper and b, all we ever asked for in first place) or worst case a move to VP.

Guess we'll know more in next week or so when club and council have had a chance to meet and decide how thy're going to proceed.

The first bit in bold is why this scheme has been dead in the water for a long time. The money for the whole scheme has just never been there and was always a mixture of promised funds (some genuine and present I grant you) and hoped for development loans.

The second bit I can answer, we'll have some more meetings planned, some feasibilty reports to prepare and some more meetings. See you again in 2012 for this same cycle to be repeated.

Re: VP it is then! : Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:44 am  

bullsonfire wrote:

A couple of million for remedial work should see it fit for another 25 years. A roof on the popular terrace and suddenly it wouldn't be a problem.

I'd hazard a guess it would cost around £10 million to cover the popular side

Re: VP it is then! : Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:54 am  

Would just adding some covers and seating solve Odsals problems? I thought it was costing too much to maintain, and surely this wouldn't solve the problem?

Re: VP it is then! : Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:56 am  

Steam Pig wrote:

I'd hazard a guess it would cost around £10 million to cover the popular side

For some huge gold-plated cantilever wonder maybe, but not for basic if cheap cover with vertical supports.

Wasn't VP rumoured to be for sale at only £2.5m? We could buy 4 of them at that price!

It is ironic that a Bradford Council engineer named Wardley drew up a plan in 1951 for a 92,000 capacity ‘European’ style stadium, which would then have cost £250,000. If only . . .

Re: VP it is then! : Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:58 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

For some huge gold-plated cantilever wonder maybe, but not for basic if cheap cover with vertical supports.

An Ikea - type stand, a bit like Warrington

Re: VP it is then! : Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:01 am  

Do Ikea sell stands? I bet they are not £10 million.