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: Sun May 24, 2009 11:23 am  
The difference though is between trying to sack and buy your way out of trouble, a type of slash'n'burn policy, and building for the future.
a) we apparently don't have the cash to start sacking everyone and we certainly don't have the cash to replace the catalogue of players many label "duds" with what the same people would call "stars"
b) Even if we do have some money available it certainly wouldn't run to replacing even 10% of the squad with "stars"
c) Buying 2 or 3 "stars" doesn't work, never has, never will, if the backbone of your squad isn't doing the business.
d) Whatever only-to-be-expected fighting talk emerged from our camp pre-season, we all knew (well, those who understand that time had finally caught up with our team which had served so well for so long, and we were always going to be in transition) we were never going to challenge for the title this year or next.

Sacking the coach often has a short-term benefit, presumably with fresh ideas plus the sudden desire to impress, but ATEOTD you've still got all the same players. But we are not in that much trouble, in that there's no relegation, and IF we can turn the results around in the second half, then attendances should stabilise.

My main source of unhappiness is the way certain players have performed some of the time, and this has been made much worse by the frank admissions that some have not been giving it 100%. I agree very much with those who are of the view that as long as the team we put out tries its bollox off, to a man, they deserve support. Lord knows, I've had enough years experience of that in the past, and still went home happy enough after many, many losses. But on some occasions this year that's been far from the case.

Getting to be arguably the top team used to be a simple matter of cash, but now it's not possible to buy your way to the top table (though cash naturally helps). Putting together a top-of-the-table squad is a long game, is achieved infrequently, actually never by most clubs, and is as much luck and accident as money, planning, coaching and all the other factors. The jury remains very much out as to whether there's even any prospect of our doing this any time soon.
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: Sun May 24, 2009 11:29 am  
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Anyway, back to the topic. If SM were to be abducted by aliens, I'd like to see us approach Brian Mac or Matt Calland. I'm not sure we'd get either of them. Maybe there are better candidates available. Any ideas, Eddie?


I said that earlier in the season that we should have made a move for Tony Smith. Shame we missed that particular boat.
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: Sun May 24, 2009 11:34 am  
Maybe if we had a Simon Moran and his deep deep pockets we could have.
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: Sun May 24, 2009 2:22 pm  
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Maybe if we had a Simon Moran and his deep deep pockets we could have.

Maybe indeed. But there are clubs above us in the league who I guess have less finance at their disposal than Bradford do who are using that money a damn sight better than we are?
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: Sun May 24, 2009 2:28 pm  
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Maybe indeed. But there are clubs above us in the league who I guess have less finance at their disposal than Bradford do who are using that money a damn sight better than we are?


Whether they are or not, your argument was that we should have made a pitch for Smith, and I raised one possible explanation for why we did not. Your diversionary comment above has not really advanced that discussion any, has it?
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: Sun May 24, 2009 2:48 pm  
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Whether they are or not, your argument was that we should have made a pitch for Smith, and I raised one possible explanation for why we did not. Your diversionary comment above has not really advanced that discussion any, has it?


Nice try AB . . . . but it'll never work . . . :D
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: Sun May 24, 2009 3:27 pm  
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Nice try AB . . . . but it'll never work . . . :D


Unlikely, no. :( Whenever he is confronted with an irrefutable argument (as is often the case) he just tries to switch the discussion to a different argument, doesn't he? I guess we can live in hope that he'll still find time to respond to the original point.
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: Sun May 24, 2009 3:37 pm  
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Unlikely, no. :( Whenever he is confronted with an irrefutable argument (as is often the case) he just tries to switch the discussion to a different argument, doesn't he? I guess we can live in hope that he'll still find time to respond to the original point.
The original point is that af asked me who i would have had. I did not realise i had to give a full financial assessment before answering. Still, it will be interesting to see if bp can play your wind up game in the open for once.
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: Sun May 24, 2009 3:42 pm  
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The original point is that af asked me who i would have had. I did not realise i had to give a full financial assessment before answering.

It's implicit. It would be nice if Bennett would have a crack for free, but he won't so let's deal with the reality.
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: Sun May 24, 2009 4:24 pm  
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The original point is that af asked me who i would have had. I did not realise i had to give a full financial assessment before answering. Still, it will be interesting to see if bp can play your wind up game in the open for once.


Bollox. And you know it and everyone reading this thread can see it. You are trying to rewrite history yet again, once you have lost an argument.

You did NOT say who you would "have had" or who you "would like". You said:

ME actually wrote:
I said that earlier in the season that we should have made a move for Tony Smith. Shame we missed that particular boat.


That was NOT a wish - it was a statement of something that YOU said the club SHOULD have done.

And when I pointed out a possible reason why that did not eventuate, your response exposed your criticism as once again lacking anything constructive and paying scant regard to the realities of the situation.

I'm not playing any wind-up games, and I'm not aware anyone else is. I don't need to - my argument is robust enough not to require any of that nonsense.

Is yours?
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