How should we use players who are leaving? : Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:30 am  

Something that Glenn Morrison said in the T& A today got me thinking - he seems to assume in the article that he can and will be playing in every game for the rest of the season.

My question is this : what should we do with players who are leaving at the end of the season?

Assuming that we have pretty well given up on the play offs, shouldn't we be building in earnest for 2010?

For example, does it make sense to deny game time to Whitehead and Olbison so we can play Morrison in every match?

Should Godwin be getting the start, with Newton as back up, especially given his recent injury and the need for him to get plenty of gametime? Perhaps Horton should get a shot in a match or two?

And if we are thinking of Sykes as a potential No 6 should he get the start each week in that position rather than playing Jeffries?

In short, should we be using those players who are leaving as backup and 'fill in' players as part of an overall strategy to be planning and building for nexr season?

Thoughts?

Re: How should we use players who are leaving? : Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:37 am  

paulwalker71 wrote:

Something that Glenn Morrison said in the T& A today got me thinking - he seems to assume in the article that he can and will be playing in every game for the rest of the season.

My question is this : what should we do with players who are leaving at the end of the season?

Assuming that we have pretty well given up on the play offs, shouldn't we be building in earnest for 2010?

For example, does it make sense to deny game time to Whitehead and Olbison so we can play Morrison in every match?

Should Godwin be getting the start, with Newton as back up, especially given his recent injury and the need for him to get plenty of gametime? Perhaps Horton should get a shot in a match or two?

And if we are thinking of Sykes as a potential No 6 should he get the start each week in that position rather than playing Jeffries?

In short, should we be using those players who are leaving as backup and 'fill in' players as part of an overall strategy to be planning and building for nexr season?

Thoughts?

The club still has a responsibility to TRY and get into the top 8 - however unlikely that might now seem.

You drop a licensing criteria point if you finish outside the 8.

IIRC the clubs receive a sum of "prize" money end of each year scaled according to your finishing position. The higher you finish the more you - the players in fact, since IIRC it goes to them - get.

Would you rather say your club finished ninth, or second-bottom (or worse)?

If the club gives the impression it is no longer bothered and is not trying, what message does this send out to supporters, the media, and especially potential recruits (at all levels) and sponsors???

The club has a clear responsibility to try and secure the highest-possible finishing position, and to put out whatever teams are most likely to achieve that IMO.

: Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:46 am  

At the end of the day they are all proffessionals. They should all be putting in 100% as a matter of personal pride and the Bulls should be playing their best 13. The bench should be flooded with juniors thouigh IMO.

Re: How should we use players who are leaving? : Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:52 am  

Adeybull wrote:

If the club gives the impression it is no longer bothered and is not trying, what message does this send out to supporters, the media, and especially potential recruits (at all levels) and sponsors???

Well, I certainly wouldn't advocate giving an impression that we're 'not bothered'.

In fact, one could argue that letting the season peter out with the same old players losing each week is the way show that we are 'not bothered', whereas at least trying to build a platform for 2010 might be seen as a more positive and forward looking move.

I'm not suggesting that we simply jettison Morrison, Jeffries, Newton etc and never pick them again. That would be cutting off our noses to spite our face! But I do think that they need to realize that they can't take a starting spot for granted and they will used as part of a strategy of rebuilding.

Frankly, I think that the performances of the first choice squad have hardly been stellar this year - it is those guys that have got us into 12th in the first place, after all. So why not use them in this way and at least give hope for 2010 whilst giving meaning to the remaining fixtures.

I know I'd be a lot more excited about the remaining home fixtures if they were being used in this way. Who know, we might see a few wins too!!

: Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:53 am  

Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza wrote:

At the end of the day they are all proffessionals. They should all be putting in 100% as a matter of personal pride and the Bulls should be playing their best 13. The bench should be flooded with juniors thouigh IMO.

Ain't quite that simple though.

They have to earn a living and support their families in the future.

Players who are already sorted with new clubs for next year - how keen on picking up a potentially carerr-threatening injury will they now be? Or, more to the point, an injury which could restrict their (first with new club) off-season or delay their debut in the new season? (Morro will give his best regardless - I do hope he gets a bloody good send-off when he finally leaves, cos he deserves it).

So its a fine balancing act for the coaching staff.

All things being equal, trying to give the lads for the future more game-time has to be a no-brainer. Might well even prove the catalyst for better overall performances. As I said, got to put out the team most likely to get the points, whoever is in it.

Re: How should we use players who are leaving? : Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:54 am  

paulwalker71 wrote:

Well, I certainly wouldn't advocate giving an impression that we're 'not bothered'.

In fact, one could argue that letting the season peter out with the same old players losing each week is the way show that we are 'not bothered', whereas at least trying to build a platform for 2010 might be seen as a more positive and forward looking move.

I'm not suggesting that we simply jettison Morrison, Jeffries, Newton etc and never pick them again. That would be cutting off our noses to spite our face! But I do think that they need to realize that they can't take a starting spot for granted and they will used as part of a strategy of rebuilding.

Frankly, I think that the performances of the first choice squad have hardly been stellar this year - it is those guys that have got us into 12th in the first place, after all. So why not use them in this way and at least give hope for 2010 whilst giving meaning to the remaining fixtures.

I know I'd be a lot more excited about the remaining home fixtures if they were being used in this way. Who know, we might see a few wins too!!

Very well-reasoned, and hard to fault IMO.

Re: How should we use players who are leaving? : Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:45 am  

paulwalker71 wrote:

Thoughts?

I pretty much agree with all that.

: Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:20 am  

Adeybull wrote:

Ain't quite that simple though.

They have to earn a living and support their families in the future.

Players who are already sorted with new clubs for next year - how keen on picking up a potentially carerr-threatening injury will they now be? Or, more to the point, an injury which could restrict their (first with new club) off-season or delay their debut in the new season? (Morro will give his best regardless - I do hope he gets a bloody good send-off when he finally leaves, cos he deserves it).

So its a fine balancing act for the coaching staff.

All things being equal, trying to give the lads for the future more game-time has to be a no-brainer. Might well even prove the catalyst for better overall performances. As I said, got to put out the team most likely to get the points, whoever is in it.

Yes it is. If they aren't proffessional enough to put in 100% then drop them. If that's the case I wouldn't even play them in the reserves but TBH I doubt any of the players leaving Bradford will want to bow out in the manner the team has been playing. I would think that their own personal pride would see them putting the effort in to win as many games as possible between now and the end of the season.

: Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:29 am  

Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza wrote:

Yes it is. If they aren't proffessional enough to put in 100% then drop them. If that's the case I wouldn't even play them in the reserves but TBH I doubt any of the players leaving Bradford will want to bow out in the manner the team has been playing. I would think that their own personal pride would see them putting the effort in to win as many games as possible between now and the end of the season.

I fear that, unusually for you, on this one you are being a tad näive. Sometimes people forget that pride by itself does not put food on your family's table. Yes you would HOPE that they'd put in maximum effort, but with little for the club now to play for (as they'd likely see it) and with the club having already made it clear what they think of them, I suggest a bit of realism is in order?

: Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:37 am  

Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza wrote:

Yes it is. If they aren't proffessional enough to put in 100% then drop them. If that's the case I wouldn't even play them in the reserves but TBH I doubt any of the players leaving Bradford will want to bow out in the manner the team has been playing. I would think that their own personal pride would see them putting the effort in to win as many games as possible between now and the end of the season.

I'm a bit more cynical than that, players who will no longer be playing for the Bulls next season, (as Adey elluded to) won't be very keen on picking up potentially serious injuries, also may or may not give 100% and as a result may get injured, but who would be a coach with descisions like this to make. In all honesty I think the fans who are left would not blame Mac one bit for not selecting departing players in favour of the youngsters