Re: Stop this self destruction before its too late : Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:18 pm  

maurice wrote:

:lol: Raised standards, lowered them is a truer reflection of whats happened.
Let the cream rise and the sh@ fall

So how have standards been lowered?

Under the old system Catalans would have been playing in the Championship rather than finishing 3rd in 2007, Crusaders would have been playing in the Championship rather than making the playoffs in 2009. Teams now have better and more stable youth development. I doubt the likes of Castleford, Salford and Wakefield would have be looking at new stadiums if there was no franchising.

Re: Stop this self destruction before its too late : Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:20 pm  

maurice wrote:

We have tried the franchise route, we have tried the artificial creation of expansion clubs, now lets get back to where we should be.

Stop ripping the game apart by excluding heartland clubs, engage all the RL family and financially support the foundations being laid across the country so that one day they become vibrant clubs built in and around their communities.

Bring back P&R for entry in 2013. Yes have criteria, stadium/finance etc but make that criteria consistent for those in as well as out.

I hope the great RL people in Wales get a grip of their future and may I wish you well, and offer the support you will need to rise from this farce.

Franchising in GB RL should now be laid to rest.

BINGO!!!!!!!!




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Re: Stop this self destruction before its too late : Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:29 pm  

None, all the money would have been spent on wages of overseas players as the clubs battle to stay in SL. There would be hardly any youth development the likes we haven't seen in Super League since 1996. Salford and Saints, who had been promising new stadia for years prior to 2008, wouldn't have been forced to act upon it.

History contradicts that during superleague three of the four most successful sides have the best youth development and happen to be some of the most financially stable. Prior to 1996 there was little youth development going on it was happening by chance. Even with franchising the worst performing sides typically have the largest numb of imports that has not changed with franchising. I believe saints would still have gone ahead with their new stadium, I also beleive HKR would have gone ahead with their ground improvements and the same goes for Leeds, during franchising there has not been a single new stadium. Wigan, Warrington, Hull, Quins, Huddersfield all are playing in modern stadia of a very good standard all during SL era and all before franchising.

Quins youth development initiatives had little to do with franchising the same goes for Catalans and Crusaders.

Re: Stop this self destruction before its too late : Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:12 pm  

maurice wrote:

We have tried the franchise route, we have tried the artificial creation of expansion clubs, now lets get back to where we should be.

Stop ripping the game apart by excluding heartland clubs, engage all the RL family and financially support the foundations being laid across the country so that one day they become vibrant clubs built in and around their communities.

Bring back P&R for entry in 2013. Yes have criteria, stadium/finance etc but make that criteria consistent for those in as well as out.

I hope the great RL people in Wales get a grip of their future and may I wish you well, and offer the support you will need to rise from this farce.

Franchising in GB RL should now be laid to rest.

'Heartland' club Salford have gates comparable with Crusaders, so poor gates are not just a result of expansion. End licensing and the rush to safe bets like signing as many foreign players as you can get away with and the concommittant withdrawal of money from development in youth and new supporter facilities will drown the sport in five years.

Re: Stop this self destruction before its too late : Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:49 pm  

Peckerwood wrote:

Would all of the 118 débutantes Richard Lewis was on about have made their débuts under a P&R system?

Exactly what I was thinking.

Re: Stop this self destruction before its too late : Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:58 pm  

miscreant wrote: Only in rugby league could we ditch something that generates a 20,000 crowd (the last NL1 grand final that guaranteed promotion between Cas and Widnes in 2007) and the attendant interest with promotion and relegation. I remember well the 3 days of fantastic coverage that this great sporting piece of theatre got. October 8 2007 http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/oct/08/rugbyleague.sport October 10 2007 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/widnes/2007/10/10/widnes-vikings-go-into-administration-100252-19927838/ Yeah, happy days

miscreant wrote: Only in rugby league could we ditch something that generates a 20,000 crowd (the last NL1 grand final that guaranteed promotion between Cas and Widnes in 2007) and the attendant interest with promotion and relegation. I remember well the 3 days of fantastic coverage that this great sporting piece of theatre got. October 8 2007 http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/oct/08/rugbyleague.sport October 10 2007 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/widnes/2007/10/10/widnes-vikings-go-into-administration-100252-19927838/ Yeah, happy days

Re: Stop this self destruction before its too late : Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:15 pm  

Peckerwood wrote:

Would all of the 118 débutantes Richard Lewis was on about have made their débuts under a P&R system?

Re: Stop this self destruction before its too late : Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:29 pm  

As a Halifax fan, I still firmly believe in the concept of franchising and the reasons behind this.

However the problem lies in those making the decisions of who should get the licenses and those who should not.

One of the main aims of the licensing system is to a) promote the clubs that are performing as requested, and b) remove those clubs who cannot get their house in order and under perform.

As far as I can see it, Halifax have done everything that has been asked for, where as Wakefield have not. Simples.

Good luck Wakefield, I wish you all the best, but this decision is going to destroy our club.

Re: Stop this self destruction before its too late : Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:30 pm  

I don'd believe franchising is the reason Crusaders have failed - they were simply put in SL too early, and have bitten off more than they can chew. THis comes back again to those that are making the licensing decisions, not licensing as a system per se.

Re: Stop this self destruction before its too late : Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:35 pm  

Jaffro wrote:

this decision is going to destroy our club.

Why? You've three years to improve what you already have.