: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:26 pm  

a.n Other wrote:

Just like you won't say that you don't know how much of the money CC clubs get was from Sky. Does it hurt you so much just say them three words - "I don't know". but then again you never do have any answers do you? Like Starbug once said....your a poormans Smokey TA.

Please show me where i said I know the exact amount each club gets. You are tilting at windmills (get someone with an education to explain to you what that means). Do you keep a book of starbugs quotes? Must be nice for you.

: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:32 pm  

Starbug, and others, can you not see that whatever you put on here this cowboy is going to come back with some clever a**e comment. The only way is not to respond and to completely disregard him. Let him think he actually does know everything and then he will get bored and move on to some other board. Every board as at least one of his kind who would rather lecture than debate.

: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:52 pm  

Alexs Dad wrote:

Oh there was no knee jerk, I've been reading the thread for a few days and was finding it all a tad ironic.

Smokey is Smokey, I rarely agree with him but he has his reasons, and in fairness to him a large amount of bragging rights. Huddersfield however. Well. Divert it as much as you like, you have certainly cast a repeated sneer at the lower clubs and particularly someone who probably does more for his club in a week than you will in a lifetime.

[Where is this sneering - other than in your head? I've said many clubs have had atrocious management / I think the solution to the woes of C clubs is unlikely to be roadshows / I do not have a problem with wealth and wealthy backers. There had been sneering. The dumb statement that 'sugar daddies' = Bad being a case in point. That the person making this statement is linked to a club that begged for some private money is...sweet.]

In actual fact, casting my mind back to when Leigh's Colts could have given Huddersfiled a game, I was going to ask Smokey if he went to the JP Cup Semi at 'Arena 84' and if he remembered just how bad a state the 'Barracuders' were in back then. On a par with, oh I don't know, Bramley maybe.

[Nice history, do you have a point? I do not recall those invlved with the barracudas berating private investment and then chasing it..do you?]

You may be too young to remember, which is fair enough, the dark days when you could have only dreamt of following Fev to Wembley, or seeing Fax win pots. Perhaps seeing Sheffields finest hour too, and how they were the big boys in the 'merger'. The fierce local derby being against Keighley or Batley. Or how a lack of facilities and finance at Dewsbury and Hunslet kept you in SL for numerous seasons despite a loss rate of something like 90%. I wont remind you how you got there in the first place either, old wounds and all that.

['Remind' me of what you like. The notion of 'old wound' is infantile playground stuff. So the Giants could have gone out of business...no s**t sherlock. So what is the point being made?]

Enjoy your days in the sun, but don't look down at those you passed along the way with contempt, especially when you're so reliant upon one man in the first place.

[I enjoy myself, rain or shine, thanks. I do have contempt for inept managers and those hypocrits (taking a pop at people with money and then handing out the begging bowl). I think people who put money into clubs- and most know there will be no financial return - are to be commmended rather than sneered at.Apparently sneering at wealthy backers is okay with you? HTH]

: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:58 pm  

Geekay wrote:

Starbug, and others, can you not see that whatever you put on here this cowboy is going to come back with some clever a**e comment. The only way is not to respond and to completely disregard him. Let him think he actually does know everything and then he will get bored and move on to some other board. Every board as at least one of his kind who would rather lecture than debate.

Geekay do feel free to respond like an ostrich.... or send me to Coventry. Probably the best way for you to cope with someone who disagrees with you.

: Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:00 pm  

bowes wrote:

They should have 1 semi-pro division of about 12-14 teams I think, but teams like Doncaster and Oldham do this every other season, I really lose all sympathy for the clubs (though still have some for the fans of course), so clearly should be either amateur or pay a small match fee.

They need to license the Championship and not let the likes of Doncaster, Oldham or Gateshead anywhere near til they're in better shape

I think there is merit in what you suggest.

: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:04 pm  

Marsdengiant wrote:

Please show me where i said I know the exact amount each club gets. You are tilting at windmills (get someone with an education to explain to you what that means). Do you keep a book of starbugs quotes? Must be nice for you.

Still cant say "i dont know" can you poormans Smokey. Are you a politician?

: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:09 pm  

Marsdengiant wrote:

I think the solution to the woes of C clubs is unlikely to be roadshows

What in you opinion is the solution?

: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:25 pm  

Marsdengiant wrote:

Where is this sneering - other than in your head?

You can walk around in sackcloth and ashes as much as you like.

You dweam on about some sustainable fantasy RL game

Now, we have the Sky money and KD's money and it is great. I love it.

Poor things, how british sport must upset them. Good.

I comprehend the twee 'common ownership' models. They are a joke.

Even under Vaughn Widnes would play far better RL than Bramley and attract many more fans. Even a 'bad Vaughn' is better than some self indulgent set ups.

No sweetcheeks, I comprehend it. I just think your twee anti business and pro common ownership views are 'touching'

I love you common ownership kiddies. Often so far up themselves.

You crack on with running YOUR club. Secure in the fact that it will satisfy your personal ego needs and give you periodic opportunities to rage against 'evil sugar daddies' and 'nasty RFL'.

Did you see that club wetting itself at the start of the 2009. desperate for £ to 'survive'. It was a very touching story. i always put on the violin music when I read about them.

When will you get the Leigh crowds up to say 8k I will think you you have something meaningful to say.....but until them

So much wimpering. Like some lost little child needing Mummy or Daddy to save her.

Thankfully private enterprise bailed that lot out. A business with the where-with-all to make profits saved the floundering hobbyists with their very existence under threat (i'm getting tearful..honest)

Do take it up with someone who cares.

It is clear from your posts you have limited knowledge about RL.

First I keep laughing at your roadshows ideas. Second I do not think the sport needs reviving.

The saving of some lame duck clubs that the local community are not bothered about is your concern, not mine.

when you are committed to twee common ownership models then you can only see things one way.

Is that enough?

: Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:50 pm  

Alexs Dad wrote:

Is that enough?

You made my case. Well done.

You directly accused me of sneering at lower clubs.

How does thinking the concept of commonly owned businesses are moribund a sneer at lower league clubs. [several of the quotes you rely on refer directly to this point] Or thinking Widnes under Vaughn are better than Bramley at RL a sneer at C clubs? How is telling a poster who dismissed the Giants recent youth development that he must have limited RL knowledge a sneer at lower clubs? (surely you cannot be so stupid to think that challenging a posters knowledge is having a go at lower league clubs? ) How can pointing out that a guy who has a go at 'sugar daddies' and then begs for wealthy inputs is being hypocritical be a sneer at lower level clubs?

You read what I wrote but your blinkers mean you do not understand it. This does not surprise me.

I have little time for clubs that do not pay taxes, or do not pay players or that hide behind CVAs while creditors get screwed.

I think central funds £ should go to developing the grass roots not funding failing private enterprises.

I do not mind commonly owned enterprises. However when the people involved with them get sanctimonious about privately owned organisations I may challenge it. When common ownership activists start getting holier than thou about wealthy club backers while themselves desperately looking for private funds I will point it out. Hardly sneering at 'lower clubs'.

HTH.

so, try again. Find actual examples where I sneer at decent, hard working ,non moralising championship clubs.

: Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:54 pm  

a.n Other wrote:

Still cant say "i dont know" can you poormans Smokey. Are you a politician?

keep tilting......