Re: Stop this self destruction before its too late : Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:47 pm  

miscreant wrote:

Only in rugby league could we ditch something that generates a 20,000 crowd (the last NL1 grand final that guaranteed promotion between Cas and Widnes in 2007) and the attendant interest with promotion and relegation.

Has there ever been a more dramatic night in SL history than the Wakey-Cas game in 2006, played in front of 11,000 shoe-horned into that 'stadium' ?

We need people running the game who understand rugby league and its supporters.
Not bean counters

With SL contracts becoming null and void on relegation it turned into a one off game for the players to safeguard their jobs. That's far too much to be at stake for one game. That game might have convinced the RFL that licensing was the way to go.

Re: Stop this self destruction before its too late : Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:21 pm  

Maybe so.

But as a Robins fan have you ever felt as exalted as the night you beat Widnes in the 2006 grand final ?

Re: Stop this self destruction before its too late : Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:23 pm  

maurice wrote:

that Sir is a load of sh@.
If your logic was followed through no club in Soccer, RU, or RL would ever get promoted after spending a minimum of 3 seasons denied promotion, because the club going down should always have a better team, a better youth system and a better structure due to income and funding being poles apart.
If we could get the heads of the VT mafia surgically removed from their ar$e$ to spend a few years at the coal face of a club with ambition but not in the SL clique, they would understand the damage being caused to just 5/6 clubs - because the rest either do not have the ambition or are nowhere near achieving it.
RL today is 20 or so clubs with the ambition to play in SL, the rest are not ready, never will be or never want to be.
Two divisions of Ten are needed immediately if we are to ever grow our game to reach its potential, the Wigans/Wire/Leeds/Saints will still be winning 90% of the pots regardless of this but we increase the intensity of SL1 whilst creating a platform for ambitious clubs to go FT and eventually break that dominance, and I dont mean the Leighs etc but the future big SL clubs in Cardiff/Swansea/Bristol etc

Ifa club took that defeatest attitude I wouldn't expect a club to get promoted. Clubs need to start thinking about what they can do for SL and RL rather than what SL can do for them.

Re: Stop this self destruction before its too late : Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:24 pm  

Jaffro wrote:

That's be the fair and transparent bidding process then...

I rest my case.

There are such things as commercial confidentiality.

Out in the real world, whether I win or lose a piece of business, I typically don't get to see my competitors bids.

Re: Stop this self destruction before its too late : Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:37 pm  

maurice wrote:

We have tried the franchise route, we have tried the artificial creation of expansion clubs, now lets get back to where we should be.

Stop ripping the game apart by excluding heartland clubs, engage all the RL family and financially support the foundations being laid across the country so that one day they become vibrant clubs built in and around their communities.

Bring back P&R for entry in 2013. Yes have criteria, stadium/finance etc but make that criteria consistent for those in as well as out.

I hope the great RL people in Wales get a grip of their future and may I wish you well, and offer the support you will need to rise from this farce.

Franchising in GB RL should now be laid to rest.

shame the powers that be live in cloud cukkoo land instead of what you have said...do you know i hardly go and watch the Dons these days, and hardly bother watching SL on Sky.....Im only one man who used to love rugby league...but now i almost couldn't care about its path

Re: Stop this self destruction before its too late : Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:39 pm  

Another thing...my Dad got me into RL.....if I had kids i wouldn't get them into it under this system...that's just me...but i feel its quite a statement

Re: Stop this self destruction before its too late : Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:48 pm  

And did you follow the Dons when they won promotion in 1994 ?

I remember the day they beat Huddersfield at Tattersfield to virtually assure themselves of promotion and it was just magical to see a club that had struggled for so long hit the big time.

Then, they won at Saints and beat Widnes in their opening two Division One games.

Surely, that's what sport is all about. Having the right and chance to earn a crack with the big boys. Even if its only fleeting - as for Blackpool in the Premier League this season - the memories last a lifetime.

Re: Stop this self destruction before its too late : Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:48 pm  

Up the Dons wrote:

Another thing...my Dad got me into RL.....if I had kids i wouldn't get them into it under this system...that's just me...but i feel its quite a statement

Do you enjoy watching: Running, passing tackling? Do you enjoy seeing a flat defensive line sprint up? Do you enjoy seeing a long pass put a fullback in space behind a dummy runner? Do you enjoy a shoulder barge tackle forcing a knock on? Do you enjoy seeing the short pass that puts a player into the gap? Do you enjoy watching a winger fly down the touchline....and a fullback make the tackle in the corner just before the line?

If yes, watch the sport. If not, perhaps RL isn't for you. There's nothing wrong with that. Infinitely more people prefer seeing a round ball bounce around (and don't seem to really care about clear corruption and match fixing in their sport) and many more people than even that don't care about any sport at all.

Re: Stop this self destruction before its too late : Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:55 pm  

miscreant wrote:

And did you follow the Dons when they won promotion in 1994 ?

I remember the day they beat Huddersfield at Tattersfield to virtually assure themselves of promotion and it was just magical to see a club that had struggled for so long hit the big time.

Then, they won at Saints and beat Widnes in their opening two Division One games.

Surely, that's what sport is all about. Having the right and chance to earn a crack with the big boys. Even if its only fleeting - as for Blackpool in the Premier League this season - the memories last a lifetime.

I did bud, whilst i was only 13 my Dad took me to every home game.....i was there at the Huddersfield game, 3 major memories

a) Hudds fans singing 'the Dons are staying down...staying down...staying down'

b) Vila Matautia scoring a match winning try but before grounding the ball holding it in one hand...something me dad frowned upon

c) a can of coke costing......50p!!!! FIVTY BLOOMIN PENCE!!!!!!!

Great memories tho...and of course i was at Mount Pleasent in the promtion game against Batley....its what promotion is all about

Re: Stop this self destruction before its too late : Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:58 pm  

miscreant wrote:

Maybe so.

But as a Robins fan have you ever felt as exalted as the night you beat Widnes in the 2006 grand final ?

It was an amazing feeling to know that we were going up but if we had lost I shudder to think what could have happened. The temptation to go for broke the following year knowing that the drawbridge was going to go up could have been too much and if we had failed again who knows where we would be now. The licencing system is meant to stop the getting promotion/avoid relegation at any cost approach and the consequences of it failing so I don't see how that side of things can be criticised.