Re: Wigan "owner" irritated : Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:23 pm  

cadoo wrote:

But we are focusing on youth. More than most clubs in Super League.

I think your comment about how our entire squad should be from Wigan is hilarious and you have come across just like the rest of them.

I don't think I'll post on the VT anymore.

I said entire squad bar 1/2 overseas players but don't let the whole sentence get in the way your whinge.

Focusing on youth more than most clubs? I think some clubs are behind the eight ball due being newly promoted or not having enough cash and slowly but surely some clubs are catching up.

And my comments go for every club, not just Wigan.

Re: Wigan "owner" irritated : Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:37 pm  

cadoo wrote:

Out of interest, did any of you ardent critics listen to what Shaun Wane had to say when Eddie quizzed him about the three signings?

Thought not.

No, but I read his article in the Manchester Evening News about it:

Shaun Wane wrote:

We did sign deze Ozzies coz dems iz besthust. Local kidz can go win trowfees at betta runned pubs, soz I meanz clubz.

Re: Wigan "owner" irritated : Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:11 pm  

Fully wrote:

I said entire squad bar 1/2 overseas players but don't let the whole sentence get in the way your whinge.

Fine entire squad bar 1/2 overseas players - it's still a silly statement to make.

Focusing on youth more than most clubs? I think some clubs are behind the eight ball due being newly promoted or not having enough cash and slowly but surely some clubs are catching up.

I don't have an issue to raise with over clubs over their youth policy. Frankly I'm only concerned about Wigan. Some opposition supporters seem to be just as engrossed into Wigan as me.

And my comments go for every club, not just Wigan.

I never dreamt for a moment that the above wasn't the case.

Re: Wigan "owner" irritated : Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:14 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

No, but I read his article in the Manchester Evening News about it:

The type of tosh I now expect from you.

Re: Wigan "owner" irritated : Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:02 am  

cadoo wrote:

Fine entire squad bar 1/2 overseas players - it's still a silly statement to make.

Really? And here's me thinking the quota system was being reduced gradually so that we will probably have a total of 3 quota players anyway?

Re: Wigan "owner" irritated : Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:37 am  

Fully wrote:

Really? And here's me thinking the quota system was being reduced gradually so that we will probably have a total of 3 quota players anyway?

Do you honestly believe clubs like Harlequins, Crusaders, Salford, Bradford, Wakefield, Castleford, Hull KR, Hull FC, Huddersfield and Warrington have a cat in hells chance of making the above happen?

Clubs will always find ways around it. Wigan didn't want the reclassifying of quota players as Federation trained before the rules were put in place, but the majority of the league did.

Ian Lenagan has apparent plans for a full Wigan squad made of Wigan born/trained players. I don't think this is realistic or wise.

Re: Wigan "owner" irritated : Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:28 am  

cadoo wrote:

Do you honestly believe clubs like Harlequins, Crusaders, Salford, Bradford, Wakefield, Castleford, Hull KR, Hull FC, Huddersfield and Warrington have a cat in hells chance of making the above happen?

Yes.

At Cas we've currently got four quota players - McGoldrick, Widders, Chase and Sargent. Sargent is going at the end of the season so unless we recruit more overseas players then it is possible for us.

The whole point of the licensing was to increase the production of young English players. Some clubs are doing that proactively and we're starting to see the shoots coming through now.

Re: Wigan "owner" irritated : Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:39 am  

Fully wrote:

Some fans are going OTT about Wigan and some Wigan fans need to learn to stop being so sensitive and learn to take constructive criticism once in a while.

Please explain to me how this is constuctive criticism?

Do you not think it would be great if every club in super league produced as many good young players as Wigan do and then also bring world class players into the league? How good would super league be if every club did that?

Like Cadoo says, you ignore the facts about how many young players we produce compared to other clubs and also the FACT that 4 aussie players are leaving.

We havn't made big aussie signings since 2007 really and yet as soon as we do everyone jumps on the 'lets all insult Wigan bandwagon'. Saints signed players like Soliola and Puletua to fill gaps and no one bats an eye lid.

By arguing against these signings you are effectively saying that we should promote youth INSTEAD, well does your club always promote youth rather than singing overseas players?

Next season we will have a perfect balence of youth, experience and overseas top talent, deal with it! But just because it's Wigan it happens to become your perfect nature to complain!

You cannot argue with the facts about how many young players we promote.

Quite frankly you don't even have an argument in this.

Re: Wigan "owner" irritated : Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:54 am  

Odemwingie wrote:

Please explain to me how this is constuctive criticism?

Do you not think it would be great if every club in super league produced as many good young players as Wigan do and then also bring world class players into the league? How good would super league be if every club did that?

I think it would be better if every clubs produced their players and RETAINED their own than letting them go to other clubs. You keep pulling the "produce as many good players as Wigan" line but you've only got one more homegrown player than Bradford in your entire squad this season and even then, I'm not sure all of those named have played a first team game. How good would Wigan's side have been/be now if they'd kept some of the Wigan-bred players they had let go?

Like Cadoo says, you ignore the facts about how many young players we produce compared to other clubs and also the FACT that 4 aussie players are leaving.

It's not how many you produce it's how good they are and whether you keep them. X club could produce 12 players but only 3 good enough to make their SL club. Y Club could produce the same amount and they retain 6.

We havn't made big aussie signings since 2007 really and yet as soon as we do everyone jumps on the 'lets all insult Wigan bandwagon'. Saints signed players like Soliola and Puletua to fill gaps and no one bats an eye lid.

The difference between Saints and yourselves is that Saints actively replace the Aussies they bring in with good English talent, whether it's their own or not. Look this term - their overseas players, Gidley, Soliola, Meli, Puletua, Flanney and Fa'asavalu were their overseas (note just the quota of 6 and no exemptions (unlike Wigan)). Gidley is going home AFAIK and they've replaced him with Shenton for next season. When Meli goes (possibly this year), they have Jamie Foster to replace him. Fa'asavalu has already gone and McCarthy-Scarsbrook has been touted as his replacement. If not, they have Jake Emmitt coming through.

By arguing against these signings you are effectively saying that we should promote youth INSTEAD, well does your club always promote youth rather than singing overseas players?

My club has three overseas players signed up for next season and will have 11 or 12 Cas players in their squad with the likes of Ferres (who is a Cas lad but not through our academy) on our books too.

Quite frankly you don't even have an argument in this.

Quite frankly I think, I do, and so does every other person. Like I said, some Wigan fans cannot accept criticism of their team.

Re: Wigan "owner" irritated : Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:25 pm  

Fully wrote:

I think it would be better if every clubs produced their players and RETAINED their own than letting them go to other clubs. You keep pulling the "produce as many good players as Wigan" line but you've only got one more homegrown player than Bradford in your entire squad this season and even then, I'm not sure all of those named have played a first team game. How good would Wigan's side have been/be now if they'd kept some of the Wigan-bred players they had let go?

It's not how many you produce it's how good they are and whether you keep them. X club could produce 12 players but only 3 good enough to make their SL club. Y Club could produce the same amount and they retain 6.

The difference between Saints and yourselves is that Saints actively replace the Aussies they bring in with good English talent, whether it's their own or not. Look this term - their overseas players, Gidley, Soliola, Meli, Puletua, Flanney and Fa'asavalu were their overseas (note just the quota of 6 and no exemptions (unlike Wigan)). Gidley is going home AFAIK and they've replaced him with Shenton for next season. When Meli goes (possibly this year), they have Jamie Foster to replace him. Fa'asavalu has already gone and McCarthy-Scarsbrook has been touted as his replacement. If not, they have Jake Emmitt coming through.

My club has three overseas players signed up for next season and will have 11 or 12 Cas players in their squad with the likes of Ferres (who is a Cas lad but not through our academy) on our books too.

Quite frankly I think, I do, and so does every other person. Like I said, some Wigan fans cannot accept criticism of their team.

Firstly that was before IL was in charge. We have only lost one young player, we did not 'let him go'.

I'm pretty sure we have had the second most amount of young players in our first team this year showing that we don't just produce them but we do use them.

So saints are reducing their number of overseas players and so are we.

Other fans just cannot accept that Wigan are producing great young players AS WELL as signing top players from aus.

These top players will help and compliment want we already have, how can you put a negative spin on it. Oh sorry, it's Wigan.

Imagine this was Leeds, everyone would be creaming themselves about how good they will be next year and how it's a fantastic deal.