Re: Disrespect : Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:34 pm  

bren2k wrote:

On the issue of respect, I wonder if there'll be anything more about the incident with Ganson and the physio? I didn't hear what was said, but Ganson clearly took exception to it and gave the physio in question a dressing down.

Ganson? Respect?

Re: Disrespect : Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:20 pm  

LeightonP wrote:

Whether you or I think that particular incident is 'so terribly wrong' or not isn't important - there are good reasons why players don't have the right to push the referee around, no matter where they're stood.

If you think that constitutes "pushing the referee around" then you've clearly got a different definition to me.

On both occasions the players were trying to get to where they needed to be in the defensive line, the contact was momentary and not even strong enough to cause Silverwood to go off balance. It's nothing like the Hock case where he physically grabbed Ian Smith after play had been stopped IIRC.

From memory, I don't recall Silverwood passing comment about the contact to either player at the time, although he did talk to Bailey about "waving his arms around" when the player went to remonstrate about him being in the way after the try was scored.

Obviously a slow week for the video review panel. If that constitutes a three game ban then the disciplinary process is a farce.

Re: Disrespect : Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:24 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

If you think that constitutes "pushing the referee around" then you've clearly got a different definition to me.

My definition is, basically, the player physically pushing the referee. I don't know what your definition would be of, if it didn't involve that.

Andy Gilder wrote:

On both occasions the players were trying to get to where they needed to be in the defensive line, the contact was momentary and not even strong enough to cause Silverwood to go off balance.

I understand your objection: you think that, because the referee was stood between Bailey/Webb and where they wanted to be, the player has a right to physically move the referee out of the way. I'm sure that you supporting the team for which those players play has nothing to do with your opinion. I don't think it matters that Silverwood doesn't go off-balance. I don't even think it matters that the push changed Silverwood's position or the course of his movement (which it certainly appeared to, from the video). I suspect the disciplinary panel don't think it matters, either.

I expect the disciplinary panel do think that it matters that there may have been no obvious intent to intimidate or hurt the referee, and an element of not being able to change their own direction, which is why it's currently a grade C, and not D-F, as the sentencing guidelines would suggest.

Andy Gilder wrote:

It's nothing like the Hock case where he physically grabbed Ian Smith after play had been stopped IIRC.

It's different to that case, but it's like it in that the players deliberately make physical contact with the referee - which is the description of the offence. Also, Hock's grab at Ian Smith didn't cause him to go off-balance, so it's like it that way, too

Andy Gilder wrote:

From memory, I don't recall Silverwood passing comment about the contact to either player at the time, although he did talk to Bailey about "waving his arms around" when the player went to remonstrate about him being in the way after the try was scored.

That counts for nothing. I don't remember Alibert making a big deal about Chris Bridge's elbow to Ben Jeffries' chest, but the disciplinary panel still thought he had something to answer for.

Re: Disrespect : Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:38 pm  

Yet earlier silverwoods poor positioning saw two warrington players barge into him. He got himself into poor positions all night

Re: Disrespect : Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:44 pm  

I guess it's the thin end of the wedge - they'll want to send a strong message out about respecting the official; for me, no player should be putting their hands on him and that includes Lee Briers little pats on the back when he's conned them into yet another penalty.