Re: England wants Origin : Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:18 am  

The King Of Birchwood wrote:

Surely Lancashire would play in Lancashire and not Cheshire?

Widnes then

Re: England wants Origin : Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:26 am  

Barry_McKenzie wrote:

I still cant understand why the old Lancs v Yorks thing never caught on.
2 of the biggest rivalries in UK sport... certainly at county level

It just isn't though.

People in "Lancashire" see Liverpool vs Manchester as a big rivalry; on Merseyside, you'd be easily able to drum up some interest in a scousers vs woolybacks game. I've never heard anyone express a desire to beat Yorkshire at all costs, or any other expression of keenly felt rivalry.

Re: England wants Origin : Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:10 am  

Its obvious England need a different test at this stage than Wales and France offer mid season.

Yorks V lancs doesnt work. There no point flogging this horse.

I think a 1 or two game series against an Other Nationalities side would be more than useful until the next world cup.

Then i would have 1 england v ON game and rotate England v France & England V wales on an annual basis as a second game.

The problem with other nationalities is the desire to play for the shirt.

Perhaps the way to work an other nationalities team is to make one of the SL"foreign players" captain for the whole year and have some sort of fundraising element to the concept throughout the year, with other events as well as the games against England.

Also the ON captain picks the squad and the coaching team for the games. Its his team and you get picked by him so don't let him down.

Potential candidates throw their hat into the ring each year & The captain is voted for each year by the eligible players in SL at the same time they cast their man of steel votes and the announcement is made at the end of season dinner.

I`d keep the Other Nationalities tag but they certainly need a brand nickname & keep the green shirts.

Re: England wants Origin : Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:40 am  

perhaps the Other nationalities team could be picked via a fans vote.....is'nt that how the NRL allstars team is picked?

Re: England wants Origin : Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:39 am  

Catalancs wrote:

Scrap Magic Weekend and the France mid season international. England vs Other Nationalities two game series to replace them. One game in Lancashire and one in Yorkshire.
Playoffs to be reduced to the top six teams.

My idea as well unfortunately we'll never see it happen. The clubs will be just too selfish to drop League games (and income) or find excuses to not release players for such intense games.

Re: England wants Origin : Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:01 pm  

JonM wrote:

It just isn't though.

People in "Lancashire" see Liverpool vs Manchester as a big rivalry; on Merseyside, you'd be easily able to drum up some interest in a scousers vs woolybacks game. I've never heard anyone express a desire to beat Yorkshire at all costs, or any other expression of keenly felt rivalry.

I didnt know that

I was talking to a bloke during the last Ashes series in Australia who was from Leeds and he said he hated people from Lancashire with a passion

Maybe it's different in Cricket

Re: England wants Origin : Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:43 pm  

JonM wrote:

It just isn't though.

People in "Lancashire" see Liverpool vs Manchester as a big rivalry; on Merseyside, you'd be easily able to drum up some interest in a scousers vs woolybacks game. I've never heard anyone express a desire to beat Yorkshire at all costs, or any other expression of keenly felt rivalry.

Maybe its because most scousers now see themselves as coming from Merseyside rather than Lancashire?
Go to Manchester and ask the same question and you'll get a different answer.

Re: England wants Origin : Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:44 pm  

Barry_McKenzie wrote:

I didnt know that

I was talking to a bloke during the last Ashes series in Australia who was from Leeds and he said he hated people from Lancashire with a passion

Maybe it's different in Cricket

It's a match-up with a bit more history in cricket, certainly - but also due to them being the only two county clubs in the north for best part of 100 years. With Cricket, the powerbase historically has been the mill towns which are a lot closer to Yorkshire.

You can get one-sided rivalries. In soccer, Leeds Utd fans tend to see Man Utd as their main rivals, but are pretty much off the radar for Man Utd fans - with 8 premier league clubs in Lancashire and none in Yorkshire, it's not surprising. Yorkshiremen tend to support other Yorkshire clubs if their own team is not involved, but someone from Liverpool would support pretty much any team in the world playing against Man City or Man Utd and expect to have the same treatment from Manchester fans when they play.

Devon v Cornwall is way more keenly felt than any other county rivalry.

Re: England wants Origin : Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:32 pm  

roughyedspud wrote:

i'm bored....

Needs a big black chevron through it for the Kiwi's

Re: England wants Origin : Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:16 pm  

Wellsy13 wrote:

I think it's about time we had a mid-season international window myself. If the Aussies wanna stick to SOO let them do that and the rest of the RL World can play internationals.

New South Wales vs Queensland
New Zealand vs PNG
Tonga vs Samoa
Fiji vs Cook Islands
England vs SL ANZACs
Wales vs France
Scotland vs Ireland

I like the idea of the mid season window with the end of season internationals. Get some consistency going, whatever it is.I would like a more organised approach to rugby in both hemispheres.

In addition, to kick off the new season there could be an All Stars weekend, since they are starting to push that there:

NRL All Stars vs Indigenous All Stars
SL All Stars vs Great Britain

In which the SL Team is selected from an online vote, but the French captain and Vice Captain get automatically selected (providing they are in SL).

And then the mid season representitive games I would like to see as follows:
Queensland vs New South Wales
New Zealand vs Pacific Island XIII (Fiji/Tonga/Samoa/PNG/CI)

with either

Wales vs France
Scotland vs Ireland
England vs Other Nations

or

Wales vs France vs Lancashire/West vs Yorkshire/East