Quotealtofts wildcat="altofts wildcat"There is no evidence. The fact that top international players like Gaz Ellis, Ben Westwood and Danny Brough just to name a few came through the Wakefield youth system which clearly does not have great facilities proves your point.'"
Danny Brough has never played a top tier international, by definition he isnt a top international player.
So your argument that Wakefield are one of the top two areas at producing talent in SL is they have produced Ellis, Westwood and Brough, as opposed areas like Leeds which has produced the likes of Carvell, Mcguire, Diskin, Hall, Smith, Ablett, JJB, Walker, and Peacock or Merseyside which has produced Graham, Roby, Wellens, Cunningham, or the masses of players from Greater Manchester and Cumbria?
QuoteSmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Really? you think that Amateur Rugby in Wakefield will go to the wall if Wakefield are relegated? how many new amatuer clubs are there in Wakefield since 1999?
Hasnt there been a club in Eastmoor since 1881? You really think the team would fold because there is now only one SL club in the district and 4 semi-pro clubs?
Yes, I believe if there were only one SL club in the Metropolitan District of Wigan they would still play RL in Wigan. Similarly if there was only one club in the metropolitan district of Wakefield, they would still play RL in Wakefield.
There's hardly a hundred year old amateur set up in London. In that context, and in the context of a comparison to areas with a similar histories and amateur set ups Wakefields history of youth development is nothing to be proud of.
Whose footing the bill now? Who foots the bill if Glover walks out? Who foots the bill if Paul Caddick walks out or Ian Lenegan?'"
Smokey, I haven’t got the will to dissect each paragraph, you believe that if W.T.W were cast into the abyss the grass roots systems would stay in place ad infinitum. Whereas I believe the opposite, & only time will tell who is correct.
You side-swiped the theoretical question re: Wigan.
If the Wigan club were banished from the top table, you really believe the lads from the feeder clubs would play for St Helens, I find that preposterous.
Wakefield’s history in youth development is nothing to be proud of? It’s been a conveyor belt of talent for Leeds for many years.
Regarding your question of who’s footing the bill, I presume you mean the Welsh project, to be honest, I haven’t got a clue. I know last year it was Red Hall, not sure about this season, maybe the avid expansionist on here could have a whip-round. The next three years, well, they could become a team challenging for the G.F with a Wembley appearance under their belts, with attendances rising to 8,000. Or they may continue buying bargain basement players, bumping along the bottom, generating even less supporters & going bust, crystal ball time…
If we’re both alive & kicking in ten years, I would like to revisit the outcome, to apologise, or, await yours.
QuoteThe Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"Smokey, I haven’t got the will to dissect each paragraph, you believe that if W.T.W were cast into the abyss the grass roots systems would stay in place ad infinitum. Whereas I believe the opposite, & only time will tell who is correct.
You side-swiped the theoretical question re: Wigan.
If the Wigan club were banished from the top table, you really believe the lads from the feeder clubs would play for St Helens, I find that preposterous.'"
Yes, i certainly do. I think the lads in Wigan will play for their local amateur side and if they are fortunate enough to be offered professional terms by any club they will accept them, they wont reject them because Wigan arent in the top flight any more. It would be nonsense to suggest so.
I cant believe that any kid would turn down the opportunity to be a professional RL player because St Helens offered them terms and Wigan werent able to.
QuoteThe Devil's AdvocateWakefield’s history in youth development is nothing to be proud of? It’s been a conveyor belt of talent for Leeds for many years.'"
Not really, and Wakefield have had more than their fair share of Leeds products playing for them over the years.
QuoteThe Devil's AdvocateRegarding your question of who’s footing the bill, I presume you mean the Welsh project, to be honest, I haven’t got a clue. I know last year it was Red Hall, '"
It wasnt the RFL really though was it. The RFL no more 'footed the bill' than paying for a meal in a restaurant on a credit card means mastercard are 'footing the bill'.
QuoteThe Devil's Advocatenot sure about this season, maybe the avid expansionist on here could have a whip-round.'"
Maybe the flatcappers could have a whip round to help your double glazing salesman pay for half a million or so increase in wages he is promising for your club which has lost hundreds of thousands over the preceeding years.
QuoteThe Devil's AdvocateThe next three years, well, they could become a team challenging for the G.F with a Wembley appearance under their belts, with attendances rising to 8,000. Or they may continue buying bargain basement players, bumping along the bottom, generating even less supporters & going bust, crystal ball time…
If we’re both alive & kicking in ten years, I would like to revisit the outcome, to apologise, or, await yours.'"
Crusaders have to be the ones to go.
1. Awful attendances.
2. Bottom of SL 2/3 years.
3. Awful financial management.
4. Not really and 'expansion' team now they are located in Wrexham.
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