Re: Widnes & Relegation : Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:48 am  

Blackandwhiteviking wrote:

Yes, cos that was the criteria set out by super league, hence we go promoted. Its not that hard to fugure out really.

Obviously, your business model wasn't very good then.

Re: Widnes & Relegation : Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:50 pm  

Call Me God wrote:

These are the rules as it stands and therefore, someone will go down this year and someone will be promoted.

What I do think will happen sooner rather than later though, is we will see a 14 or even 16 team SL with franchise/licenses. There will be the usual moaning from clubs who will feel that they "coulda/shoulda/woulda", but the reality is that without a sugar-daddy or 10,000 regulars, all teams will struggle to survive.
The fact that Leeds of one of 4 sides dicing with the drop is no excuse to change the rules mid-season.

So where are these extra half a dozen or so teams going to come from in the long, nevermind short, term to give 14-16 teams who will be able to survive with 10,000 crowds and/or a sugar daddy ?

Re: Widnes & Relegation : Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:51 pm  

Mr Dog wrote:

So where are these extra half a dozen or so teams going to come from in the long, nevermind short, term to give 14-16 teams who will be able to survive with 10,000 crowds and/or a sugar daddy ?

I'm in talks with Walter Mitty's estate about the LA Unicorns, the junior team are to be called the Leprechauns, then we have the possibility of Ankara Anchors, it's a brave new world...

Re: Widnes & Relegation : Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:34 pm  

Mr Dog wrote:

So where are these extra half a dozen or so teams going to come from in the long, nevermind short, term to give 14-16 teams who will be able to survive with 10,000 crowds and/or a sugar daddy ?

I'd have the current 12 toronto and toulouse..... Possibly 2 more from the championship...... Beaumont would bankroll leigh with the assurance of top flight survival..... Widnes were successful under licencing.
The NRL, AFL, NFL, NHL, NBL...... All successful without P&R.... Weve had 100 years of jeapordy and were still tiny.........we need a top tier with strong teams and a minimum spend on marketing...... If peoe see full stadiums they want to be part of it....

Re: Widnes & Relegation : Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:40 pm  

Call Me God wrote:

I'd have the current 12 toronto and toulouse..... Possibly 2 more from the championship...... Beaumont would bankroll leigh with the assurance of top flight survival..... Widnes were successful under licencing.
The NRL, AFL, NFL, NHL, NBL...... All successful without P&R.... Weve had 100 years of jeapordy and were still tiny.........we need a top tier with strong teams and a minimum spend on marketing...... If peoe see full stadiums they want to be part of it....

I agree with what you say why they the RFL and super league can not see it it is bloody stupid to carry on the way we are

Re: Widnes & Relegation : Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:51 pm  

Call Me God wrote:

I'd have the current 12 toronto and toulouse..... Possibly 2 more from the championship...... Beaumont would bankroll leigh with the assurance of top flight survival..... Widnes were successful under licencing.
The NRL, AFL, NFL, NHL, NBL...... All successful without P&R.... Weve had 100 years of jeapordy and were still tiny.........we need a top tier with strong teams and a minimum spend on marketing...... If peoe see full stadiums they want to be part of it....

I’ve always been in favour of P&R but the problem is when a team gets relegated nowadays if they don’t come back up straight away they go bust or have to go back part time I think we could easily accommodate a 16 team league just add Toulouse Toronto Leigh and Bradford and you have Halifax and Fev waiting in the wings in case things don’t work out for any of teams

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Re: Widnes & Relegation : Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:29 pm  

When we say that P&R is ingrained in our sporting culture, it is worth remembering that we had no promotion and relegation between 1905 and 1962 or 1964 to 1973, when we had a single league. As well as more recently, when there was none to and from SL from 1998 to 2000, and from 2009 to 2014, when there were other divisions. I’m not saying those are models we should look to recreate, but it isn’t the case that P&R has always been part and parcel of pro RL in this country.

I think P&R has only recently started being used in domestic first class Cricket, though it’s not a sport I follow closely.

Re: Widnes & Relegation : Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:28 pm  

I've said elsewhere, 2 conferences of 8 sides, with 14 Home and Away games v your fellow conference sides and 8 (4H/4A) games against the others.....that's 11 home games.
Then, top 4 sides of each division play each other once (4H/4A) as do the bottom sides....another 4 Home games.....15.
Then, in the top division a straight 1st v 8th, 2nd v 7th scenario........better teams rewarded with extra home games........
At the end of the lower 8 comp, If there's an applicant for a Licence that has been approved (diligence, but not in the Bradford sense), then the bottom side plays them home and Away with an aggregate winner staying up.

15 home games.....and no bloody loop fixtures.....

St Helens,
Warrington
Salford,
Leigh,
London
Toronto
Catalans
Castleford
Leeds
Bradford
FC
HKR
Wakefield
Huddersfield
Toulouse
Featherstone/Halifax

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Re: Widnes & Relegation : Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:16 am  

Let's not forget York who are 4th in the Championship. I'm absolutely chuffed for them and how well they're doing. It suggests we might have another top flight city team in the making.

Re: Widnes & Relegation : Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:18 am  

Call Me God wrote:

I've said elsewhere, 2 conferences of 8 sides, with 14 Home and Away games v your fellow conference sides and 8 (4H/4A) games against the others.....that's 11 home games.
Then, top 4 sides of each division play each other once (4H/4A) as do the bottom sides....another 4 Home games.....15.
Then, in the top division a straight 1st v 8th, 2nd v 7th scenario........better teams rewarded with extra home games........
At the end of the lower 8 comp, If there's an applicant for a Licence that has been approved (diligence, but not in the Bradford sense), then the bottom side plays them home and Away with an aggregate winner staying up.

15 home games.....and no bloody loop fixtures.....

St Helens,
Warrington
Salford,
Leigh,
London
Toronto
Catalans
Castleford
Leeds
Bradford
FC
HKR
Wakefield
Huddersfield
Toulouse
Featherstone/Halifax

Interesting, no Wigan?