Re: Salford's situation : Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:38 pm  

dboy wrote:

The failure of the Newmarket build may be a blessing in disguise - as long as we get the enabling funding as promised.

Which again won't happen

Re: Salford's situation : Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:38 pm  

Ornery Optimist wrote: It was the required criteria to gain a License for Super League.Grading was required with a points system. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 138760.stm https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/georgeriley ... _will.html So no club was told they needed a new stadium and all the clubs awarded a SL licence passed the criteria.

Ornery Optimist wrote: It was the required criteria to gain a License for Super League.Grading was required with a points system. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 138760.stm https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/georgeriley ... _will.html So no club was told they needed a new stadium and all the clubs awarded a SL licence passed the criteria.

Re: Salford's situation : Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:42 pm  

Ornery Optimist wrote: It was the required criteria to gain a License for Super League.Grading was required with a points system. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 138760.stm https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/georgeriley ... _will.html no We know that what we stating is that the rfl didn't say that they had to get new stadiums refurbishment would do if met with the demands, keep up will you

Ornery Optimist wrote: It was the required criteria to gain a License for Super League.Grading was required with a points system. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 138760.stm https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/georgeriley ... _will.html no We know that what we stating is that the rfl didn't say that they had to get new stadiums refurbishment would do if met with the demands, keep up will you

Re: Salford's situation : Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:51 pm  

Time to move on I think Reds89. Seems like most on here have their own interpretation of a situation they quite frankly know f*ck all about

Really not worth arguing the toss anymore. See you all at Moor Lane sometime guys (unless it's too inconvenient for you all to travel to of course ).

Re: Salford's situation : Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:09 am  

Donnyman wrote:

I don't remember Salford being forced out, only the fact that they got an opportunity for a new stadium that Cas and Wakey didn't get.

They understandably took that opportunity of their own free will AFAIK. Sadly it did not work out It remained to be seen whether Wakey moving to Newmarket outside the city and on waste ground along the motorway could also have been a big mistake??

What is eluded to here is that the RFL threatened expulsion from Super League to those Club's which had still not got SL standard stadiums, it was part of the licensing criteria at the time, both Cas & Wakey continued on a 'promise' of either moving to new stadiums or redevelopment , that is why there are still so many jokes & lampooning of Wakey & Cas over the many unrealised 'artist impressions' that never materialised, maybe (possibly) were never intended to materialise ! Just a fake thread to hang onto Super League status !!!

Re: Salford's situation : Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:09 am  

Ste100Centurions wrote:

What is eluded to here is that the RFL threatened expulsion from Super League to those Club's which had still not got SL standard stadiums, it was part of the licensing criteria at the time, both Cas & Wakey continued on a 'promise' of either moving to new stadiums or redevelopment

The quality of ground was only one "Licensing" factor in deciding who would be in Superleague. Yes there was pressure on Wakey and Castleford to provide a better facility to play in, but this was impossible at the first time of the licensing due to the refusal of the council to provide any help at all to the clubs.

Then at the next round of licensing Castleford applied still with no prospect of a ground, but were given a license with the footnote "the significant challenge for the club for the next (the planned third) licensing period will be to move to a proposed new facility many many years on any idea of removing Castleford from Superleague remains a joke, as big a joke as the Lewis led falling over to accommodate the Harlequins and Celtic Crusaders.

On that second round of licensing in 2011 Wakefield had also failed to deliver the stadium but all that was said about that was the "stadium position was uncertain"

Again there was no real threat of expulsion at all. Cas had been bottom of SL in 2008 and only Harlequins had worse crowds than Cas and Wakey so low crowds and poor grounds should have seen an end to their SL status, but the RFL were not so stupid as to actually drop them from Superleague and hoist in such as Salford & Celtic Crusaders instead, so they moved to a 14 club Superleague so they didn't have to back their threats with action.

Empty threats from the RFL and promises that could not be kept by Cas and Wakey were just stuff and nonsense......

Re: Salford's situation : Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:43 am  

dboy wrote:

So no club was told they needed a new stadium and[b] all the clubs awarded a SL licence passed the criteria.[/b]

The idea of "passing the criteria" was an utter joke.

Of course clubs could not pass criteria in Tommy Cooper style "just like that" in 2009 with licensing sprung upon them, but three years later when the second round of licenses came about in 2011 only Hull, Leeds, Wigan and Warrington actually passed the criteria in full.....

Saints were criticised for their rubbish ground in the 2011 round of licensing, and were "downgraded" for that.......

The reality was that Richard Lewis came into the game to take it away from being a northern M62 sport. Protecting London was important to him. then introducing Les Catalans was another move which expanded the footprint of Superleague (but shrunk the footprint of the French game) and then along came Celtic Crusaders in Wales.

Just what Lewis wanted, to move towards, a spread of clubs whose expanded geographical positioning would bring in new investment and growth. Eyes were on a scottish club perhaps joining?

Scotland never happened, Wales collapsed, London struggled and may be at their lowest point now, and Catalans ignored their French players remit.......

Re: Salford's situation : Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:01 am  

snowie wrote:

no

what we stating is that the rfl didn't say that they had to get new stadiums refurbishment would do if met with the demands, keep up will you

:

The voice of reason......

Should we not look to Featherstone Rovers push to become a Superleague club, when the club systematically improved Post Office Road until the powers that be were happy that POR would no longer be a stumbling block to playing in Superleague.

There was no idea there that Featherstone should move say to Pontefract and build a facility on the old Prince of Wales colliery site just by the Motorway?

Salfords move was a mistake not a requirement.....

Re: Salford's situation : Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:16 am  

Ste100Centurions wrote:

What is eluded to here is that the RFL threatened expulsion from Super League to those Club's which had still not got SL standard stadiums, it was part of the licensing criteria at the time, both Cas & Wakey continued on a 'promise' of either moving to new stadiums or redevelopment , that is why there are still so many jokes & lampooning of Wakey & Cas over the many unrealised 'artist impressions' that never materialised, maybe (possibly) were never intended to materialise ! Just a fake thread to hang onto Super League status !!!

So clubs were kicked out of SL then?

"Eluded to", "promised" - nonsense.

It's a FACT - the RFL did not say Wakey/Cas/Saints/Salford would be out of SL if they did not build a new ground.

It's also a FACT that neither Wakey or Cas made any promises regarding stadium developments.

And "never intended to materialise" - that's an idiotic thing to say; of course the clubs want better facilities.

Re: Salford's situation : Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:34 am  

Ste100Centurions wrote:

What is eluded to here is that the RFL threatened expulsion from Super League to those Club's which had still not got SL standard stadiums, it was part of the licensing criteria at the time, both Cas & Wakey continued on a 'promise' of either moving to new stadiums or redevelopment , that is why there are still so many jokes & lampooning of Wakey & Cas over the many unrealised 'artist impressions' that never materialised, maybe (possibly) were never intended to materialise ! Just a fake thread to hang onto Super League status !!!

Another lazy and simplistic assumption. Neither Wakey or Cas have been fortunate enough to have a rich owner, a willing Council/developers or a bigger football club to scrounge of.