Re: Salford Reds Being forced out of their home? : Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:15 am  

Nothing says Salford and some extent RL is small time than this sutuation. Nothing really wrong with the AJ Bell or its location, the fact Salford despite having a recent rich backer and made both major finals recently, its 12k capacity and 8-10k average should be achievable then the rent is no problem. Salford have failed catastrophically to break 4k average if not 3k, Salford are not right for Suoer League. If they are having to down size then they should down grade a division in favour of Leigh or Fev. With less TV money going around, its harsh but fair that that money should go go clubs who can generate a bigger support.

Re: Salford Reds Being forced out of their home? : Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:30 am  

rollin thunder wrote:

Nothing says Salford and some extent RL is small time than this sutuation. Nothing really wrong with the AJ Bell or its location, the fact Salford despite having a recent rich backer and made both major finals recently, its 12k capacity and 8-10k average should be achievable then the rent is no problem. Salford have failed catastrophically to break 4k average if not 3k, Salford are not right for Suoer League. If they are having to down size then they should down grade a division in favour of Leigh or Fev. With less TV money going around, its harsh but fair that that money should go go clubs who can generate a bigger support.

really the drop in attendance proves the location wasn't right for their fans and a nice shiny stadium wasn't the answer but if they was replaced with Fev you'd have everyone ranting pit village

Re: Salford Reds Being forced out of their home? : Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:00 am  

I don't know how feasible it is, because obviously I appreciate that they don't want to clash fixtures with the football clubs on their doorstep, but I'd like Salford to play as many of their non televised games as possible on weekend afternoons.

With this ground being much easier to get to from central Manchester, it will encourage more away fans from places like Leeds and Hull to see it as a potential day out on the train if it is at 3pm on a weekend. Friday night isn't so ideal for this.

Re: Salford Reds Being forced out of their home? : Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:02 am  

snowie wrote:

really the drop in attendance proves the location wasn't right for their fans and a nice shiny stadium wasn't the answer but if they was replaced with Fev you'd have everyone ranting pit village

They where hardly ripping it up attendance wise at The Willows, could understand if they where like say Huddersfield or Wigan downsizing from 25k to 12-15k

Fev was just an example if a progressive team who have do every right over the last 5 years or more. Leigh or Widnes would be better addition, but already expressed my view that Franchising would be the way forward.

Re: Salford Reds Being forced out of their home? : Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:40 am  

rollin thunder wrote:

They where hardly ripping it up attendance wise at The Willows Leigh or Widnes would be better addition, but already expressed my view that Franchising would be the way forward.

It was kind of 2K at worst, 6K at best and an average of 4K at the Willows, with the Barton stadium dragging that down towards 3K average. Leigh and Widnes a good shout but reality dictates the best shout isn't based on attendances but rich guys.

So Beaumont and Koukash fit that bill and obviously were the SL chairmens choice......... Leigh averaged 6K in SL as well......

Re: Salford Reds Being forced out of their home? : Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:24 am  

As stated earlier, i think this could actually be a very good move for salford, taking them back nearer to their base who have made it clear they will not travel to Barton to support them.

Barton, plus their recent relative success was a huge opportunity to kick salford on to be a credible SL club, appealing to the wider Manchester area as Sale do. There is no reason why they shouldn't have got averages of 7-9k after their GF success which would have made that stadium easily viable....That should have happened after the grand final (where did those 20k fans who suddenly appeared at OT suddenly disappear to?)
Sadly it seems the stadium location and fierce resistance to losing the 'salford' tag that has held them back from becoming a successful Manchester club, and they have probably now missed that boat!

Staying at Barton they are a sitting duck...no club is going to survive with huge rent costs and no support. The problem is not so much the stadium cost, but the fact that you can't make it viable on the back of 2-3k average attendances. Unless you find a way to push up to 7k plus crowds it is never going to work.

So their hand is forced. ....They will probably push back up to their old averages of circa 4k back in Salford, but the problem is that, in a non SL standard capacity ground of 5k is not good enough for SL. So they will need to moderate their expectations back into the championship / 2nd SL tier imo.

If they are moving back there though, surely there is opportunity also for swinton? Would make much more sense for them both there, and perhaps even looking to purchase that stadium together?

Re: Salford Reds Being forced out of their home? : Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:33 am  

Sale don't appeal to the wider Manchester area. I've lived and worked in Manchester for nearly 19 years and I don't know a single person who supports either Salford or Sale. Sale appeal to the rugby union community around the North West as a whole as they're the only club, but even then they're probably only the fourth best supported "rugby" club in the NW after Wigan, Saints and Wires. They obviously have more money because they play a sport that generates higher revenues than RL does, but they don't have thousands of fans across Manchester.

Salford trying to rebrand as Manchester would be a pointless gimmick that would annoy long standing fans and appeal to no one. Sale actually did it years ago I think, and then reverted back once they realised. Those 20,000 fans at the GF, who probably would have gone to Wembley too had they been able to, will be a combination of lapsed fans who don't go regularly anymore, friends and family of regulars who went along with them, and locals who simply jumped on the bandwagon. Every club has that at finals, it's not exclusive to Salford. The fact that the GF is literally a five minute walk away from the City of Salford boundary, and Man United are by far the best supported sports club there, probably helped too.

I think the location of this ground is far better for the community than Barton is, and I agree it would be good for Swinton too as it is a lot closer for them than their current home in Sale. I worry about the capacity though. Average attendances being lower than that or not, I don't see how 5,000 is sustainable as a Super League venue when you have clubs like Leigh and Widnes playing in the Championship with far more suitable facilities.

Cas and Wakefield have both been hammered for years over their grounds not being up to scratch, but Cas in particular can at least get decent sized crowds in for big games.

Re: Salford Reds Being forced out of their home? : Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:46 pm  

Lots of innacuracies here being posted as usual from the likes of Donny and an embarrassing lack of local knowledge from someone who has apparently lived and worked in Manchester for almost 20 years. So (as a Salfordian and a fan of both the Red Devils and Salford City) I'm sure I'm in a better place to comment than trolls like Donny. I'll even make it easier for some of the less intellectual on here by bullet pointing.

- Salford City will be BUYING the AJ Bell stadium, not renting it so the current extortionate rental costs are irrelevant as they won't exist

- Contrary to our local expert Murphy's claims... The Peninsula Stadium won't actually be easier to get to for the majority of Salford Red Devils core support which comes from Weaste, Eccles, Swinton, Walkden etc. There are no direct bus services to the ground apart from the 1 or 2 that go from Salford Precinct. The majority of direct bus services are from Manchester or Prestwich/Whitefield and they aren't exactly hotbeds for the Salford fan base. The AJ Bell actually is (although not ideal) actually better served by bus services for the majority of Salford fans.

- For any Yorkshire based away fans, the Peninsula Stadium is actually easier to get to being barely a mile and a half off Junction 17 (Prestwich/Whitefield). The lame excuses of "Friday night traffic" will no doubt still be rolled out by away fans not wanting to make the effort to attend away games (I regularly commuted from Salford to Halifax so I'm fully aware of the M62 btw)

- Feel free to mock Salford's new ground but please feel free to show me photos of how Wakey & Cas's new ground are coming along. I mean that was one of the criteria of getting a SL license was it not all those years ago and the reason Salford were forced out of The Willows?

- Any crowds of 4500-5000 at the Peninsula Stadium will be far more financially viable for Salford than similar crowds at the AJ Bell. The club will have far lower overheads and they will also get all the proceeds from food/beverage sales etc. Is the location ideal or the ground perfect for SL rugby? No. But it will at least be a financially viable option until a longer term solution can be found (that's assuming land can be found to potentially build another community stadium and that the council don't just keep selling it off to to$$ers like Fred Done to build overpriced/poorly built new build homes on )

- Please bore off with the continual drivel about Leigh/Widnes/Feb being a better SL option that Salford. If they were then they'd be playing in SL already. However, they aren't and I'm sorry that little old Salford pi$$ you off so much. I suggest you just learn to live with it and it might not bother you so much.

Anyway, I look forward to listening to the further waffle you guys can come up with as it's always entertaining listening to people who generally have no idea what they're talking about.

Re: Salford Reds Being forced out of their home? : Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:23 pm  

Weaste and Swinton are closer to Kersal than Barton. Eccles obviously isn't, granted. I commented on away fans travelling by train which would obviously mean alighting in Manchester. It takes nearly an hour to get the bus from Shudehill to the AJ Bell. It would probably cost about £15 at least to do it by taxi. It will take half the time by bus and cost half the fare by taxi to Moor Lane won't it? I never once said central Manchester was a hotbed of Salford fans. It obviously isn't. I said it was easier to get to for people getting off trains from other places, and also closer to Salford Precinct and the Willows as well as Manchester city centre. What part of any of that isn't true? Does no one in Ordsall or Broughton support Salford? If they don't then being in a more local ground might encourage them to

Re: Salford Reds Being forced out of their home? : Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:17 pm  

SaleSlim wrote:

Lots of innacuracies here being posted as usual from the likes of Donny and an embarrassing lack of local knowledge from someone who has apparently lived and worked in Manchester for almost 20 years. So (as a Salfordian and a fan of both the Red Devils and Salford City) I'm sure I'm in a better place to comment than trolls like Donny. I'll even make it easier for some of the less intellectual on here by bullet pointing.

- Salford City will be BUYING the AJ Bell stadium, not renting it so the current extortionate rental costs are irrelevant as they won't exist

- Contrary to our local expert Murphy's claims... The Peninsula Stadium won't actually be easier to get to for the majority of Salford Red Devils core support which comes from Weaste, Eccles, Swinton, Walkden etc. There are no direct bus services to the ground apart from the 1 or 2 that go from Salford Precinct. The majority of direct bus services are from Manchester or Prestwich/Whitefield and they aren't exactly hotbeds for the Salford fan base. The AJ Bell actually is (although not ideal) actually better served by bus services for the majority of Salford fans.

- For any Yorkshire based away fans, the Peninsula Stadium is actually easier to get to being barely a mile and a half off Junction 17 (Prestwich/Whitefield). The lame excuses of "Friday night traffic" will no doubt still be rolled out by away fans not wanting to make the effort to attend away games (I regularly commuted from Salford to Halifax so I'm fully aware of the M62 btw)

- Feel free to mock Salford's new ground but please feel free to show me photos of how Wakey & Cas's new ground are coming along. I mean that was one of the criteria of getting a SL license was it not all those years ago and the reason Salford were forced out of The Willows?

- Any crowds of 4500-5000 at the Peninsula Stadium will be far more financially viable for Salford than similar crowds at the AJ Bell. The club will have far lower overheads and they will also get all the proceeds from food/beverage sales etc. Is the location ideal or the ground perfect for SL rugby? No. But it will at least be a financially viable option until a longer term solution can be found (that's assuming land can be found to potentially build another community stadium and that the council don't just keep selling it off to to$$ers like Fred Done to build overpriced/poorly built new build homes on )

- Please bore off with the continual drivel about Leigh/Widnes/Feb being a better SL option that Salford. If they were then they'd be playing in SL already. However, they aren't and I'm sorry that little old Salford pi$$ you off so much. I suggest you just learn to live with it and it might not bother you so much.

Anyway, I look forward to listening to the further waffle you guys can come up with as it's always entertaining listening to people who generally have no idea what they're talking about.

Will the new ground be cheaper in a taxi for you?