: Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:31 pm  

I can't see him playing in the English games. He's been refused entry, so can't come in. he didn't appeal it, so to me that's a clear cut end of story.

The fact he may have a work permit / visa / whatever for France has got nothing at all to do with it. He is not a French or European national, and France has no more right to give people the right to enter Britain, or to work in Britain, than we have to give people the right to enter Uzbekistan. France's work permits are (obviously) valid in, er, France.

He was reportedly refused admission because of issues concerning his character, due to charges he faces, as apparently perceived by the British Consulate. So however many visas he has in his wallet, that won't change.

: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:22 pm  

So, just so we are clear on this....
He CAN play in France, but maybe NOT play in England....so is his glass half full, half empty or sticking out of his girlfriends face ALLEDGEDLY

: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:24 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

I can't see him playing in the English games. He's been refused entry, so can't come in. he didn't appeal it, so to me that's a clear cut end of story.

The fact he may have a work permit / visa / whatever for France has got nothing at all to do with it. He is not a French or European national, and France has no more right to give people the right to enter Britain, or to work in Britain, than we have to give people the right to enter Uzbekistan. France's work permits are (obviously) valid in, er, France.

He was reportedly refused admission because of issues concerning his character, due to charges he faces, as apparently perceived by the British Consulate. So however many visas he has in his wallet, that won't change.

Spot on in my view. I read that one of the charges relates to lying to the police, which although not proved yet, will have influenced the decision on his character (if that was why the visa was refused).

If that's the case, he'll have the same problem trying to get in at the airport and it will all get a bit messy for Catalans.

: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:27 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

So, just so we are clear on this....
He CAN play in France, but maybe NOT play in England....so is his glass half full, half empty or sticking out of his girlfriends face ALLEDGEDLY

[Kosh]

: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:39 pm  

Chris28 wrote:

Spot on in my view. I read that one of the charges relates to lying to the police, which although not proved yet, will have influenced the decision on his character (if that was why the visa was refused).

If that's the case, he'll have the same problem trying to get in at the airport and it will all get a bit messy for Catalans.

The UKBA have now confirmed that if Bird attempts to enter the country it will be up to individual Immigration Officers whether to allow him in or not.

Presumably following UKBA guidelines of course...

: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:56 pm  

I'm not up on what Bird was denied for, but his initial request will have been for a Visa/Permit which allowed him to live and work in this country.

Surely there wouldn't be an issue with him coming representing a French team every other week in this country. He wouldn't be taking any money from a UK company, or living here.

What kind of Visa's did Manly need for the game the other night?

: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:27 pm  

Dave T wrote:

I'm not up on what Bird was denied for, but his initial request will have been for a Visa/Permit which allowed him to live and work in this country.

Surely there wouldn't be an issue with him coming representing a French team every other week in this country. He wouldn't be taking any money from a UK company, or living here.

What kind of Visa's did Manly need for the game the other night?

Still needs a VISA to enter the country as he isn't a UK or EU national. The Manly players would have needed a VISA as the players in the World Cup did.

: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:31 pm  

You don't need a visa to enter the UK from Australia (or NZ or probably a bunch of other places). Just need a valid passport and a believable reason for coming when they ask you.

: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:35 pm  

ECT wrote: You don't need a visa to enter the UK from Australia (or NZ or probably a bunch of other places). Just need a valid passport and a believable reason for coming when they ask you. You need to fill in a landing card and have your passport scanned. When his is scanned it will show that he has previously been refused entry to the UK. UKBA He might be ok going off this: You will only need permission to come (known as 'entry clearance' or 'a visa') to the United Kingdom for a sports visit of up to six months if you are a visa national. See the visa services website for more information. If you a non-visa national, permission to come as a sports visitor for up to six months is not needed. Multiple entry visas are available for sports visitors for six months, and one, two, five and 10 years. See the visa services website, which you can find on the right if this page, for more information. But he has still been refused entry to the UK technically.

ECT wrote: You don't need a visa to enter the UK from Australia (or NZ or probably a bunch of other places). Just need a valid passport and a believable reason for coming when they ask you. You need to fill in a landing card and have your passport scanned. When his is scanned it will show that he has previously been refused entry to the UK. UKBA He might be ok going off this: You will only need permission to come (known as 'entry clearance' or 'a visa') to the United Kingdom for a sports visit of up to six months if you are a visa national. See the visa services website for more information. If you a non-visa national, permission to come as a sports visitor for up to six months is not needed. Multiple entry visas are available for sports visitors for six months, and one, two, five and 10 years. See the visa services website, which you can find on the right if this page, for more information. But he has still been refused entry to the UK technically.

: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:41 pm  

Conroy wrote: You need to fill in a landing card and have your passport scanned. When his is scanned it will show that he has previously been refused entry to the UK. UKBA I don't think he was refused entry into the country. He was refused a working visa I believe. Here is a quote from UKBA on sports persons travelling from countries like Oz (you do not need a visa): If you are not an EEA or Swiss national, you will need to provide documentary evidence to the Immigration Officer on landing at a UK port or airport of the reason for your visit to the UK – e.g. the invitation from the sporting organisation. You may also be asked for evidence that you can support yourself financially and accommodate yourself while in the UK, do not intend to base yourself in the UK and will leave the UK at the end of your visit.

Conroy wrote: You need to fill in a landing card and have your passport scanned. When his is scanned it will show that he has previously been refused entry to the UK. UKBA I don't think he was refused entry into the country. He was refused a working visa I believe. Here is a quote from UKBA on sports persons travelling from countries like Oz (you do not need a visa): If you are not an EEA or Swiss national, you will need to provide documentary evidence to the Immigration Officer on landing at a UK port or airport of the reason for your visit to the UK – e.g. the invitation from the sporting organisation. You may also be asked for evidence that you can support yourself financially and accommodate yourself while in the UK, do not intend to base yourself in the UK and will leave the UK at the end of your visit.