Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:56 pm  

Danny Sculthorpe and Stuart Fielden weren't on the panel. Ikram Butt and Neil Turley were. http://media.therfl.co.uk/docs/DISCIPLI ... 20Copy.pdf

Danny Sculthorpe and Stuart Fielden weren't on the panel. Ikram Butt and Neil Turley were. http://media.therfl.co.uk/docs/DISCIPLI ... 20Copy.pdf

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:20 pm  

Why let the truth get in the way of a conspiracy theory!

Still, it's out on social media the two ex Wigan players were on the panel so it must be true .....

SoL isn't the first person to have had a decision given lower than the grading but by the reaction here it seems like most people believe it's the first time it's ever happened.

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Sun Jul 17, 2016 2:54 pm  

Big Steve wrote:

Why let the truth get in the way of a conspiracy theory!

Still, it's out on social media the two ex Wigan players were on the panel so it must be true .....

SoL isn't the first person to have had a decision given lower than the grading but by the reaction here it seems like most people believe it's the first time it's ever happened.

Quite correct, but only just recently this happened also :Wigan pair Josh Charnley and Joel Tomkins have been cleared by the Rugby Football League's match review panel of a dangerous throw they have been told they will face no further action after admitting the grade A offence.
I seem to remember a bad high shot by Matty Bowen on a HKR player just before a WCC match that he got away with.Just seems there is a pattern with Wigan and lenient disciplinary decisions.

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:19 pm  

I'd put my house on you finding similar scenarios for all the clubs if you actually wanted to put the effort. But that would get in the way of your "The RFL loves Wigan" sob story.

I'll give you a clue. Ben Westwood getting 1 match for deliberately punching a prone Blake Green and breaking his cheekbone. Not a single punishment for a crusher tackle on Tony CLubb forcing him to have neck surgery and miss more games than Annikin. Scott Moore (yes, the RFL's favourite no less!) got charged with a Grade A for punching a Widnes player but got no ban. Logan Tomkins was charged with a Grade C, got one match, as was Atkins at Warrington. These four examples took me less than 10 seconds to remember and without google. I happened to find the weeks disciplinary you were referring to and found that Hemel Stags, London, Dewsbury and Catalans all had played plead guilty to a grade A charge and get no ban.

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:58 pm  

I'm perfectly willing to accept the complaints of inconsistencies in the disciplinary decisions but there is absolutely nothing to the "RFL favours/hates [insert random club name]" stuff. It's just daft.

As I said I'm willing to accept the complaints about inconsistencies and I think individual players can end up under more scrutiny by both referees and the disciplinary but it certainly isn't a club thing.

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:47 am  

We all love a good conspiracy.....

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:35 am  

Him wrote: I thought Bailey pushed Silverwood out of the way when in defence? Now I can fully understand the urge to shove Richard Silverwood, and I'm willing to accept a certain amount of mitigation if Bailey didn't see him in the way until late but we do have to protect referees. If it's the right incident I'm thinking of Charnleys was nothing like Bailey's. Hock got 5 games for grabbing a refs arm in 2008 SUMMARY OF CM'S SUBMISSIONS ON THE CHARGE / EVIDENCE: Player disputes decision of referee and in the process of doing so grabs hold of / places his hand on the referee’s arm. Starting point has to be that any physical contact with the referee is absolutely unacceptable; however minimal as it is imperative that the referee feels safe and protected on the field of play. However, the panel did take account of the nature of the contact and reflected this is the grading of the charge as an E grade offence rather than an F. In addition to being a breach of the Laws of the Game, the Player’s actions were also a breach of the RFL’s Respect Policy. - See more at: http://www.rugby-league.com/the_rfl/dis ... #advSearch he was banned for another 4 in 2013 for accidental but avoidable contact with the referee but that was in the CC so the report doesnt seem to be there. then he was banned again for crashing in to Thomason Brent Webb was fined £300 for touching Silverwood and found guilty, even though they accepted he didnt push or grab him on the basis of The committee believe this is a case of strict liability. This means that regardless of the circumstances any deliberate touching of a referee is an offence and therefore the committee find Mr Webb guilty of this offence. - See more at: http://www.rugby-league.com/the_rfl/dis ... #advSearch For Consistency, and going by what the RFL have said before, if you touch the ref, you are guilty. No ifs buts or maybes. If you do it aggressively you get a few games ban.

Him wrote: I thought Bailey pushed Silverwood out of the way when in defence? Now I can fully understand the urge to shove Richard Silverwood, and I'm willing to accept a certain amount of mitigation if Bailey didn't see him in the way until late but we do have to protect referees. If it's the right incident I'm thinking of Charnleys was nothing like Bailey's. Hock got 5 games for grabbing a refs arm in 2008 SUMMARY OF CM'S SUBMISSIONS ON THE CHARGE / EVIDENCE: Player disputes decision of referee and in the process of doing so grabs hold of / places his hand on the referee’s arm. Starting point has to be that any physical contact with the referee is absolutely unacceptable; however minimal as it is imperative that the referee feels safe and protected on the field of play. However, the panel did take account of the nature of the contact and reflected this is the grading of the charge as an E grade offence rather than an F. In addition to being a breach of the Laws of the Game, the Player’s actions were also a breach of the RFL’s Respect Policy. - See more at: http://www.rugby-league.com/the_rfl/dis ... #advSearch he was banned for another 4 in 2013 for accidental but avoidable contact with the referee but that was in the CC so the report doesnt seem to be there. then he was banned again for crashing in to Thomason Brent Webb was fined £300 for touching Silverwood and found guilty, even though they accepted he didnt push or grab him on the basis of The committee believe this is a case of strict liability. This means that regardless of the circumstances any deliberate touching of a referee is an offence and therefore the committee find Mr Webb guilty of this offence. - See more at: http://www.rugby-league.com/the_rfl/dis ... #advSearch For Consistency, and going by what the RFL have said before, if you touch the ref, you are guilty. No ifs buts or maybes. If you do it aggressively you get a few games ban.

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:09 pm  

secondstanza wrote:

I don't think Charnley will be up for a grade C.

This whole thing about who was on the panel is a total non story. Fielden wasn't on the panel - the RFL and the man himself have confirmed this. And Sculthorpe played 39 games for Wakefield so he's hardly Wigan through and through is he.

EDIT: Pretty sure Mitch Allgood got a grade B at magic for touching the ref.

Just a small point of order regarding Sculthorpe.
He didn't exactly leave Wakefield on good terms and if he were ever asked to swear allegiance to any club, it wouldn't be Wakefield, in fact, he'd probably happy not to help them in any way whatsoever. Not that that scenario would ever come about

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:27 pm  

when do they post the disciplinary charges/non charges on the rfl website, is it sometime in the evening?

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:01 pm  

the artist wrote:

when do they post the disciplinary charges/non charges on the rfl website, is it sometime in the evening?

Depends when they can get hold of Shaun Wane.