Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:19 pm  

wire-quin wrote:

Is that the Fev whose head coach sits with Agar in full Leeds kit. On preseason in Spain I asked him how they would do, His response was depends on who Leeds loan us!!

In fairness, that's a very honest response.
You cant bemoan a club for taking advantage of "loanees", it's the system that allows such "abuse" that is wrong

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:21 pm  

Going off last season's events which I doubt they will have to anyway because Toronto will be allowed back in or stay in super league, depending on which way you look at it. It should be either London who Toronto replaced or Featherstone who lost to them in a final who are the twelfth club. (Leigh fan)

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:42 pm  

Kennedy wrote:

Going off last season's events which I doubt they will have to anyway because Toronto will be allowed back in or stay in super league, depending on which way you look at it. It should be either London who Toronto replaced or Featherstone who lost to them in a final who are the twelfth club. (Leigh fan)

That would be the right / fair response.
However, this is Rugby League and with certain parties desperate to fit Bradford in to SL, by whatever means, suggests that "fairness and good sense" wont be the deciding factors.
IF a particular club is favoured for whatever reason, the criteria will be "adjusted" to accommodate them ie "success during the SL era" or, "playing in an iconic stadium".

Having said that, who ever gets selected, it will cause problems and complaints from those who feel they have been overlooked.

It is difficult to see too far beyond London and Fev but, Toulouse would be a great addition and would allow the first proper French derby game in the professional era.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:03 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Was it not Nigel Wood that sold the RFL and SL on the idea of Toronto ?

No mate not at all. He was ready to leave for the RLIF when they came a calling. The Championship clubs were happy to have them as they are happy to have Ottawa and Toulouse.

if you want a proper French derby then relegate Catalans and get the clubs to play French players.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:36 pm  

Kennedy wrote:

It should be either London who Toronto replaced or Featherstone who lost to them in a final who are the twelfth club. (Leigh fan)

McManus is proposing "criteria" for what he says will be a "Mini Licensing" excersise. I suppose it will include.......

1, Ground
2. Finances/commercial partners
3. Player development
4. Business plan going forward

So doesn't look like it will be done on whoever missed out because of their antics. McManus wants the strongest club with the best plan going forward out of those who apply.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:43 pm  

Kind of happy with the part time team Widnes are assembling next year in the championship

Marty Smith
Logan Tomkins
Matt Cook
Lee Jewitt
Deon Cross
Danny Craven
Jack Owens
Ste Tyrer

Happy to earn our way there. Sheens will get us back where we belong.

Send Toulouse up and give them a crack. Just bin off TWP, the comedy train needs to be end

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:05 pm  

Donnyman wrote:

McManus is proposing "criteria" for what he says will be a "Mini Licensing" excersise. I suppose it will include.......

1, Ground
2. Finances/commercial partners
3. Player development
4. Business plan going forward

So doesn't look like it will be done on whoever missed out because of their antics. McManus wants the strongest club with the best plan going forward out of those who apply.

If that’s the case based on all 4 I’d say the front runners are Leigh/Widnes/Toulouse. Fev possibly, do they have an academy/reserves ? Seemed to have heavily relied on DR with Leeds the last few years. Leigh not having an academy could go against them potentially

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:09 pm  

Donnyman wrote:

McManus is proposing "criteria" for what he says will be a "Mini Licensing" excersise. I suppose it will include.......

1, Ground
2. Finances/commercial partners
3. Player development
4. Business plan going forward

So doesn't look like it will be done on whoever missed out because of their antics. McManus wants the strongest club with the best plan going forward out of those who apply.

The last licensing round didn't go too well and "business plan going forward" is generally pure conjecture.
Ok, nobody should offer the back of the fag packet that Halifax did all those years ago but, any club getting a spot in the top flight should be based on on field performance and not "conjecture".
Player development would probably mean that Fev, who have been heavily reliant on dual reg players from Leeds, should be excluded.
The best ground in the Championship is Leigh.
York will have a brand new ground but, dont as yet deserve to be in the top flight.
Bradford, who the hell knows - currently ground sharing at Dewsbury and they have some grand plans but, they are mid table and ground sharing at present..
London have a very small ground, regarded as some of their own fans as a "wedding venue".
Toulouse, have a tidy ground and competitive squad and would bring something different to the comp.
Widnes, excellent ground and plenty of home grown talent.

Right now it would be wrong to look beyond the current top 4 in the Championship but, as I said in my previous post, criteria will be tailored to enhance the credentials of whichever club is most wanted and quite frankly, that stinks the house out.

Really it should be either Fev (as beaten finalists in the last play off) or, London as the relegated club from last season.
Anything else would have the look and the smell of some kind of fix.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:21 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

The last licensing round didn't go too well and "business plan going forward" is generally pure conjecture.
Ok, nobody should offer the back of the fag packet that Halifax did all those years ago but, any club getting a spot in the top flight should be based on on field performance and not "conjecture".
Player development would probably mean that Fev, who have been heavily reliant on dual reg players from Leeds, should be excluded.
The best ground in the Championship is Leigh.
York will have a brand new ground but, dont as yet deserve to be in the top flight.
Bradford, who the hell knows - currently ground sharing at Dewsbury and they have some grand plans but, they are mid table and ground sharing at present..
London have a very small ground, regarded as some of their own fans as a "wedding venue".
Toulouse, have a tidy ground and competitive squad and would bring something different to the comp.
Widnes, excellent ground and plenty of home grown talent.

Right now it would be wrong to look beyond the current top 4 in the Championship but, as I said in my previous post, criteria will be tailored to enhance the credentials of whichever club is most wanted and quite frankly, that stinks the house out.

Really it should be either Fev (as beaten finalists in the last play off) or, London as the relegated club from last season.
Anything else would have the look and the smell of some kind of fix.

Not a bad post to be fair and can’t really disagree with the summaries of the teams.

The whole Fev/London situation should be the choices because of last season doesn’t really make sense to me. Your potentially booting TWP, a product which isn’t sustainable with another team that may not fit the bill and be sustainable, but they deserve it based on a losing GF performance played 15 months prior to the 2021 season. ?

If TWP are withdrawn next year the RFL need to know that they’re instating a team capable of full filling the season and has all the fundamentals in the background to make a good go at it. Not because a team “deserves it” because they were runners up. TWP knocked Toulouse out of the play offs that season, is it not unfair on them too in that instance ?

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:02 pm  

Mcmanus comes across really well here.