: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:16 pm  

saint billy wrote:

I'm sorry, but no way on this earth was that a pass. He stuck his hand out and it hit it, and the ball quite clearly went forward, when Sinfield caught it. Hence it's a knock on. If Sinfield wasn't there then it would have hit the floor, and he didn't attempt to flick the ball on so no way was it a pass, he quite clearly just stuck a hand out and the ball his his hand and went forward, hence a knock on.

No way in the world it can be considered a knock on either.

Also debateable whether it went forward or not.

: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:16 pm  

Sexual Deviant wrote:

I wouldn't bother with a drink my friend. You clearly don't need it.

Go to bed child

: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:17 pm  

Dave T wrote:

No, it really doesn't and Stevo was talking $hite on this point.

From a kick the players are usually ahead of the kicker, but not in front of the actual play the ball as it is happening, that is the issue here.

They are all behind the ptb but as the ball is passed back to the kicker the forwards head upfield, that is completely different to what happened tonight, and completely legal as long as the kicker then plays them onside, or thy give 10m to the receiver. I thought it was an excellent call, and had he missed it, they would have spotted it on Sky and ripped him for it!

Many times you see the forwards start to run up field, even before the ball is played, especially the prop forwards, but nothing is done. As i said, they should be penalised for it, but its happened a few times this season but rarely goes noticed.

Re: Inconsistency : Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:17 pm  

Sadfish wrote:

not get involved in the play is the simple answer.

When can he resume getting involved? Does he have to stand still for a while? Seeing as Sinfield can't put him onside?

: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:17 pm  

Dave Lister wrote:

With regards to the Webb try, I can sort of see where the video ref is comin from but question how Webb could have possibly ever got onside. Would he have had to run backwards to where Sinfield kicked the ball? When can he ever get involved in play? Should Smith have blown up for an instant penalty? How many more penalties will occur as a result of such "offsides"?

He can't. He is not allowed to get involved in the next play if he is offside.

There was no reason for him to be 10m offside, and that is his problem, he certainly can't then benefit from it.

99% of the time, players are behind the ptb when it is played.

: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:18 pm  

Dave Lister wrote:

No way in the world it can be considered a knock on either.

Also debateable whether it went forward or not.

Why can't it be considered a knock on?

The ball hit his hand and clearly went forward, and he didn't pass the ball, what else can it be?

: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:21 pm  

saint billy wrote:

Why can't it be considered a knock on?

The ball hit his hand and clearly went forward, and he didn't pass the ball, what else can it be?

It made no contact with the floor, the post, or an opposition player. If the referee called it as a forward pass, fine. Alibert was the video referee and disallowed it. He could not have done it for a forward pass. I will be happy to be proved wrong but I think it was a terrible decision.

: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:21 pm  

saint billy wrote:

Many times you see the forwards start to run up field, even before the ball is played, especially the prop forwards, but nothing is done. As i said, they should be penalised for it, but its happened a few times this season but rarely goes noticed.

No, you don't. I've got a few games on my Sky box and just had a view of some in fast forward and not seen a single example of it.

The forwards are usually about a yard behind the ptb, but as soon as it is played they jog forwards. By the time the ball has been passed back 10m to the kicker and then kicked, the forwards are 30m ahead, and this may give the impression that they are offside.

I have no doubts that it does happen, but these players are told they are offside and not to get involved.

Phil Clarke was wrong, as he was saying that the ref should have blown up straight away for Webb, when in fact he was right to allow playon, as the offence only happened when Webb became involved. Had he not taken the pass, there would have been no offence.

: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:22 pm  

Dave T wrote:

He can't. He is not allowed to get involved in the next play if he is offside.

There was no reason for him to be 10m offside, and that is his problem, he certainly can't then benefit from it.

99% of the time, players are behind the ptb when it is played.

What happens when a player is walking back and the team make a break? Can they all not get involved at a risk of being penalised? Surely at the time of the break they should be ruled offside? As even if the breaking player gets tackled, they have gained an advantage by being 10m further forward then they should have been.

: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:22 pm  

Dave Lister wrote:

Go to bed child

For a mod you really are quite a t!t aren't you?

What's matter, seeing 2 ex-Quins actually doing alright for themselves a bit galling is it?

Why don't you take up the refs' whistle? You obviously know more about it than most.