Re: Sinfield's Leeds the best team ever? : Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:22 pm  

Deano G wrote:

Leeds can't be a great side. They struggled to beat a very mediocre Wigan team in the semi-final and a team of talented but largely past it Wolfs in the grand final.

Best of a very uninispiring bunch? Certainly. As good as the Saints side of the mid-noughties or the Bradford side of the early noughties or the Wigan side of the early 90s? No way.

Which saints side, the team that won one GF?

Re: Sinfield's Leeds the best team ever? : Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:28 pm  

Tony Soprano wrote:

Which saints side, the team that won one GF?

i would say the Saints side that finished top 4 years in a row in 05, 06, 07, 08. An unbelievable feat. This Leeds side is no where near matching that relentless consistency. I would say that Saints side is arguably the 2nd best side of all time.

Re: Sinfield's Leeds the best team ever? : Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:54 pm  

Yeh Leeds were no where near Saints consistency

2005 Saints won 23 games Leeds 22

2006 we finished a bit behind

2007 Leeds finished 1 Point behind in the League but ended up SL champions

2008 Again Leeds finished 1 point behind in the League and yet again won the SL championship

only one year were we more than one game behind Saints in the table....but you failed to mention 04 in which we destroyed the SL and won the GF & 2009 where again we finsished 1st and yet again followed it up with a dominant GF win

YES Saints were a great team in that period on of the best ever.....but Leeds have been more consistent in that period and clutch enough to win 6 GF in 7 finals in a 9 year period with the same nucleus in the team

the more and more I read your posts....I doubt your real RL knowledge and just see you as very Anti-Leeds, and not able to give a great team its dues

Re: Sinfield's Leeds the best team ever? : Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:04 pm  

Dougy wrote:

i would say the Saints side that finished top 4 years in a row in 05, 06, 07, 08. An unbelievable feat. This Leeds side is no where near matching that relentless consistency. I would say that Saints side is arguably the 2nd best side of all time.

Wow, that's kinda sad. Your biterness over leeds has driven you to extraordinary depths.

Re: Sinfield's Leeds the best team ever? : Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:40 am  

Dougy wrote:

Tony Soprano wrote:

Which saints side, the team that won one GF?

i would say the Saints side that finished top 4 years in a row in 05, 06, 07, 08. An unbelievable feat. This Leeds side is no where near matching that relentless consistency. I would say that Saints side is arguably the 2nd best side of all time.

You couldn't make this tripe up. This guy is brilliant.

Re: Sinfield's Leeds the best team ever? : Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:00 pm  

nothing against Leeds, i would say the same if it was Wakefield, Swinton, Leigh or anyone. I think its a bit much to say the best ever when only twice in the last 10 years they have been the best team in the entire season.

I know if you're a Leeds fan you don't want to admit to yourself the truth but winning the playoffs is not much different to winning the CC really.

The GF is like a glam version of the CC. Its just that Sky have 'sexed it up'

Re: Sinfield's Leeds the best team ever? : Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:19 pm  

Dougy wrote:

nothing against Leeds,

I think Brian McDermott and Kevin Sinfield have broken your mind Are you sure you're not Shaun Wane?

Re: Sinfield's Leeds the best team ever? : Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:28 pm  

Dougy wrote:

nothing against Leeds, i would say the same if it was Wakefield, Swinton, Leigh or anyone. I think its a bit much to say the best ever when only twice in the last 10 years they have been the best team in the entire season.

I know if you're a Leeds fan you don't want to admit to yourself the truth but winning the playoffs is not much different to winning the CC really.

The GF is like a glam version of the CC. Its just that Sky have 'sexed it up'

It's far worse than i thought.

It's clear to me you are struggling to come to terms with leeds achievments. Yes it appears you are suffering from a severe case schizophrenic catatonia with chronic paranoid delusions. You've created an alternate reality for yourself.

Get help before people get hurt.

Re: Sinfield's Leeds the best team ever? : Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:18 pm  

Whether they're the best English club side ever is something that can never be categorically stated, however the point blank refusal of some to acknowledge the fact that they are clearly one of the greatest is utterly baffling. The long term and consistent success of this side is remarkable and, (with no disrespect to the all-conquering Wigan team of the 90's who were operating under a system that made their success easier to come by as opposed to the levelling influence of the salary cap) the only side that can claim to compare is Saint Helens. To pick out Bradford of 2003 or Saints of 2006 is a false argument - brilliance can be fleeting, it can last a season, but greatness is earned over time and only the current Leeds and Saints sides can stake a claim to that.

Since the likes of Sinfield, McGuire, Burrow, Bailey et al first pulled on their shirts they've earned the right to be considered great and for others to argue that they are the greatest ever without being belittled, argued against by all means, but to dismiss this side is myopic and ignorant.

For what it's worth here's what a SL table of the last ten years looks like featuring the current big 4 and Bradford.

Saints 393points 4x1st 3x2nd 2x3rd 1x4th 1x5th 1 Title
Leeds 392points 2x1st 4x2nd 1x3rd 1x4th 2x5th 6 Titles
BIG GAP
Wigan 333points 2x1st 1x2nd 1x3rd 2x4th 2x6th 1x7th 1x8th 1 Title
Wire 315points 1x1st 1x2nd 1x3rd 1x4th 3x6th 1x7th 1x8th 1x10th No titles
Bulls 302points 1x1st 1x2nd 2x3rd 1x4th 1x5th 2x9th 2x10th 2 Titles

The point of all that being that the core of the Leeds and Saints teams over that ten year period of dominance have stayed largely the same and have (as clearly demonstrated) delivered time and time again. That's the mark of greatness. There is no doubt that this Leeds side is great, and to argue that they are not is futile and petty.

The greatest? Each to their own, but it's going to take one hell of a team to eclipse their achievements any time soon and I guarantee you that any team that does will have their fans hailing them as the greatest ever - and surely that's a good benchmark?

Re: Sinfield's Leeds the best team ever? : Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:58 pm  

When we see fans of the Bulls and Hull FC giving such praise to Leeds (and the relentless bile from the crust munchers ) then its apparent this is a pretty special team.