Re: Matt king : Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:59 pm  

king piemon wrote:

I did put that he was good in oz but he's done nothing over here has he?

How long do people who dig old threads up spend doing it?

Well done KP, you've really bagged him this time

Re: Matt king : Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:06 pm  

The_Wolfman wrote:

There was nothing free about it. Thats why you sold your ground becuase of the massive debts you had and are now tennets in a ground which doesn't want you. You bought your success and sold your souls.
You continue with the arrogrance that you are above the rules and that RL would be nothing without you. In truth RL doesn't need wigan as much as wigan needs RL.

Slightly OTT. I dont believe in all this bought our success rubbish you look at the players that played for Wigan during that glorious era. The vast majority came through the Wigan academy and wanted to play for Wigan.

Kris Radlinski, Andy Farrell , Terry O'connor , Mick Cassidy , Sean Edwards , Andy Gregory, Andy Platt , Phil CLarke , Denis Betts.

Re: Matt king : Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:14 pm  

king piemon wrote:

I did put that he was good in oz but he's done nothing over here has he?

That's because he's not got Tommy Looloo setting him for all those dazzling tries that Carmont is bagging.

Re: Matt king : Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:19 pm  

cadoo wrote:

:lol: Slightly OTT. I dont believe in all this bought our success rubbish you look at the players that played for Wigan during that glorious era. The vast majority came through the Wigan academy and wanted to play for Wigan.

Kris Radlinski, Andy Farrell , Terry O'connor , Mick Cassidy , Sean Edwards , Andy Gregory, Andy Platt , Phil CLarke , Denis Betts.

IIRC O'Connor, Gregory and Platt were all bought from other clubs. Platt came through the Saints acadamy, O'Connor was a Salford player and Gregory was playing for either Widnes or Wire.

Re: Matt king : Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:22 pm  

McClennan wrote:

That's because he's not got Tommy Looloo setting him for all those dazzling tries that Carmont is bagging.

And dont you forget that

: Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:28 pm  

King Piemon's just vexed because his well planned username didn't work out as he hoped.

Re: Matt king : Sat Mar 29, 2008 4:02 pm  

cadoo wrote:

:lol: Slightly OTT. I dont believe in all this bought our success rubbish you look at the players that played for Wigan during that glorious era. The vast majority came through the Wigan academy and wanted to play for Wigan.

Kris Radlinski, Andy Farrell , Terry O'connor , Mick Cassidy , Sean Edwards , Andy Gregory, Andy Platt , Phil CLarke , Denis Betts.

You want to be looking at all the players Wigan bought in just to play in the A team. Anyone who watched the game back then will know what I mean. At one stage the A team had as many internationals as any other team. Players like Du Toit , Preston, Wright etc
Mo mortgaged your soul and almost destroyed the game.
Sorry I don't buy into your revisionist view of history.

Re: Matt king : Sat Mar 29, 2008 4:09 pm  

PsychoBabble wrote:

You want to be looking at all the players Wigan bought in just to play in the A team. Anyone who watched the game back then will know what I mean. At one stage the A team had as many internationals as any other team. Players like Du Toit , Preston, Wright etc
Mo mortgaged your soul and almost destroyed the game.
Sorry I don't buy into your revisionist view of history.

Well I don't buy into yours.

I'm very proud of our past years at Wigan and always will be. We produced and developed some of the finest and greatest names in rugby league history and I for one am proud of it.

Re: Matt king : Sat Mar 29, 2008 4:57 pm  

cadoo wrote:

Well I don't buy into yours.

I'm very proud of our past years at Wigan and always will be. We produced and developed some of the finest and greatest names in rugby league history and I for one am proud of it.

When did you start watching rugby league? This is a genuine question, did you actually watch the game at that time and are making your judgement based on your own knowledge or are you relying on received wisdom?
I don't seek to argue that because someone watched a sport for longer than someone else their judgement is sounder. My point is that if you lived through a period then a first hand experience is possibly more sound than a second hand one.
I don't see how you can suggest Wigans' success was based on home grown talent.
Players like;
Brian Case, Ian Potter, Joe Lydon, Ellery Hanley, Jason Robinson, Inga, Botica, Bell, Offiah I could go on and on. Yes I know some of these players hailed from Wigan but they were brought on by other teams.
As for the point of mortgaging your future, that was the reason Central Park (my favourite RL ground) was sold.
So if we can have an informed discussion about Wigans' proud heritage I will be happy to do so. Just as long as you don't seek to interpret the word "heritage" as solely relating to trophies won.

Re: Matt king : Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:32 pm  

PsychoBabble wrote:

When did you start watching rugby league? This is a genuine question, did you actually watch the game at that time and are making your judgement based on your own knowledge or are you relying on received wisdom?
I don't seek to argue that because someone watched a sport for longer than someone else their judgement is sounder. My point is that if you lived through a period then a first hand experience is possibly more sound than a second hand one.
I don't see how you can suggest Wigans' success was based on home grown talent.
Players like;
Brian Case, Ian Potter, Joe Lydon, Ellery Hanley, Jason Robinson, Inga, Botica, Bell, Offiah I could go on and on. Yes I know some of these players hailed from Wigan but they were brought on by other teams.
As for the point of mortgaging your future, that was the reason Central Park (my favourite RL ground) was sold.
So if we can have an informed discussion about Wigans' proud heritage I will be happy to do so. Just as long as you don't seek to interpret the word "heritage" as solely relating to trophies won.

I'm not suggesting that Wigan's success was based solely on homegrown players I'm just saying I don't buy into the nonsense that Wigan simply cherry picked the players who they wanted I will admit we snapped up a few players like Offiah for a huge fee at the time however what I am saying is the team that won all them countless trophies a large proportion were Wigan homegrown players or players we had signed from an early age and developed through our academy. It wasn't just a case of "we'll sign him , him and him".

The introduction and move to summer rugby in 1996 we became emerged in financial difficulty. We had built up debts of £3 million and the clubs board members decided the answer to the financial problems was to sell Central Park. Which proved the right decision. Our debts weren't solely made up from buying success - poor management from the board was the reason for this.