Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:36 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

I hate to side with the old enemy, but Wigan have lost Jomkins, Hoffman, Deacon, Cross, Coley & Pryce from their playing roster.

Do you think that the signings of Dudson, Flower, a guy called Rhodri and some unemployed teenage kiwi who's never played first grade will be taking up as much salary as the guys that have left?

The facts:

OUT

Hoffman
Coley
Deacon
J Tomkins
O'Carroll
Pryce
Ben Davies


IN

Lauaki
Dudson
Flower
Lloyd (Into the U18's Academy)

Gelling (Rumoured).


IMPROVED CONTRACTS

S. Tomkins (Significant Increase)
Charnley (Unknown)

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:39 pm  

MattyB wrote:

The facts:

OUT

Hoffman
Coley
Deacon
J Tomkins
O'Carroll
Pryce
Ben Davies


IN

Lauaki
Dudson
Flower
Lloyd (Into the U18's Academy)

Gelling (Rumoured).


IMPROVED CONTRACTS

S. Tomkins (Significant Increase)
Charnley (Unknown)

Begs the question why you needed the "special dispensation" in the first place........

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:48 pm  

Badwanger wrote:

Begs the question why you needed the "special dispensation" in the first place........

they needed it so they could sign all these new players AFTER giving sam tomkins a big pay rise.

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:52 pm  

All the players we have signed are under the cap as per normal. The only extra above the cap is the difference between Sam Tomkins old contract and Sam Tomkins new contract. If that is too hard for some people to understand then they are pretty stupid

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:56 pm  

Badwanger wrote:

Begs the question why you needed the "special dispensation" in the first place........

How is it a special dispensation when it applies to all teams? Its just a change to the cap rules to recognise home grown English talent, something which most fans of every team have been calling for for ages.

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:04 pm  

Wandering Warrior wrote:

All the players we have signed are under the cap as per normal. The only extra above the cap is the difference between Sam Tomkins old contract and Sam Tomkins new contract. If that is too hard for some people to understand then they are pretty stupid

You're right, it's not hard to understand. Wigan ask RFL if they can break the cap and pay Tomkins more money and the RFL let them.

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:10 pm  

Badwanger wrote:

You're right, it's not hard to understand. Wigan ask RFL if they can break the cap and pay Tomkins more money and the RFL let them.

Thats what happens for the people who are the best at what they do. All other clubs can do the same for their England players too which is bang on. We need a strong England team for the good of the sport.

Would it be better to just let Sam Tomkins go to union? How about if the same happened to Roby, Hall, BJB etc shall we just let them all go?

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:13 pm  

Wandering Warrior wrote:

Would it be better to just let Sam Tomkins go to union? How about if the same happened to Roby, Hall, BJB etc shall we just let them all go?

Wigan didn't need the cap exemption in order to keep Sam Tomkins. They should have been forced to cut their cloth accordingly and save in other areas, such as not having 8 NRL players in the starting 13 for example.

Wigan applied for the exemption purely so they could spend more money. They've never been comfortable with a level playing field.

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:16 pm  

inside_man wrote:

How is it a special dispensation when it applies to all teams? Its just a change to the cap rules to recognise home grown English talent, something which most fans of every team have been calling for for ages.

Of course it's a special dispensation. Just because other Clubs have not applied for it yet does not make it any less of a special dispensation.

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:19 pm  

Badwanger wrote:

In which case they should have plenty of cap space to accommodate any increase in Tomkins salary.

That's not the issue. The issue is that these were signed AFTER the dispensation was granted thus indicating that they did not need the special dispensation in the first place!

They didn't need dispensation to mantain a squad of around the same size as last year, but they needed to improve the contract of one of (if not the) RLs premier stars.

Given the guys leaving, they could have given all of that cap space to tomkins, but that would leave them with 5 bodies short of a squad needed to play a SL season. Not even Sam Tomkins can do the job of 5 men (James Roby maybe).

As if Wigan were never going to replace bodies.

I don't know what you're all crying about. Even if they sign this centre, they look a weaker squad than last year, unless you think paying Sam more will make him automatically play better.