Re: Canadian club in 2017? : Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:32 am  

Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:

Exactly. No wonder some of them are worried. Have a read of the Toronto thread on their board, some flatcappers of the highest order on there. Luckily some of sound mind too who are putting them in their place.

How are we worried? All some fans have done is offered their opinion that this venture will not work. "putting in them in ther place" sounds like someone's getting too big for their boots now their club is finally doing something in the league after all the millions poured into it.

Re: Canadian club in 2017? : Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:39 am  

I think it's quite clear to see that rugby league must have the highest amount of snobs in its fan base in this country.

Re: Canadian club in 2017? : Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:18 am  

Willzay wrote:

I think it's quite clear to see that rugby league must have the highest amount of snobs in its fan base in this country.

Why is wanting the sport to be a playing and commercial success, that reaches beyond a 107 mile stretch of motorway, snobbish?

Re: Canadian club in 2017? : Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:28 am  

bramleyrhino wrote:

Why is wanting the sport to be a playing and commercial success, that reaches beyond a 107 mile stretch of motorway, snobbish?

I'm not saying that is, I'm saying that some of the pro-Canada attitudes are snobbish. And what happens when whoever is financing pulls out ala Crusaders? There'd be a bigger mess on the RFL hand's than ever before - and that's taking into consideration the implosion of Wakefield, Bradford and the like.

Re: Canadian club in 2017? : Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:32 am  

Willzay wrote:

I'm not saying that is, I'm saying that some of the pro-Canada attitudes are snobbish. And what happens when whoever is financing pulls out ala Crusaders? There'd be a bigger mess on the RFL hand's than ever before - and that's taking into consideration the implosion of Wakefield, Bradford and the like.

But that scenario could happen with any club through either mismanagement or a financial backer pulling out.

Re: Canadian club in 2017? : Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:37 am  

Ok my take on this is...firstly i would imagine logistics have already been discussed between TWP and the RFL, the have seen it can be done so they did it.

This from what i can gather is being financed by a rich Canadian in charge of the club.
All air fares, hotels and transport covered by them, so costing the RFL the sum total of sod all.
You tell me any one of you, right this second that if i gave you a bit of notice that you wouldn't take a free ticket off me, all expenses paid to spend 3 or 4 days in Toronto? Easy sell for the players with maximum potential of 2 games a season in Canada at that level.

People arguing it weakens Canada's RL because we'll be taking a side out of the equation? No if anything it gives players in other teams something to strive for and play in a more established league.

Small clubs some with no money and some with insular fans some both, arguing it could stop them from getting in SL? So what, especially Leigh, you had a chance last season and it was obvious you wasn't ready. If they overtake you and take 'your' place in SL so be it. The clubs with no money moaning, can gfts. Sick of clubs with not enough £ having too much of an influence.

To the fans that say it is too far or too much....simple, don't go, listen on the radio or you could be lucky and it be in tv, it is not your right to go to games no matter how much you want to. I missed Widnes last week and will miss Wigan tonight and gutted on both scores, it is what it is. 

To those that say it will fail...it may well do but it is at zero risk to the rfl and all the costs are coming from Canada, so what is your issue?

"But we should invest in Cumbria" why should we, why?
It's just hills and floods and occasional towns spread out over miles, Barrow is a toilet, Workington and Whitehaven not much better all spread out over miles, Penrith stinks (no seriously it does) and has a small following and the biggest place in Cumbria isn't really interested in RL.

Then we have clubs like Oldham, Rochdale and Swinton who should be growing the Manchester game, all dying on their backsides.

Liverpool isn't interested, Lancashire has no professional clubs anymore (no I'm not getting into a debate about sodding old Lancashire)

Newcastle have a passing interest, counties next to the 'heartlands' like Derbyshire, Staffordshire, Lincolnshire even to a large extent 'South Yorkshire' couldn't give a monkeys about RL, we have paid lip service to it in London, Wales and the Midlands.

So why the fk not Canada? We live in a modern age, the pits have closed (not getting into a Tory/Thatcher argument either) times have changed, when the Whippet passes away then buy a labradoodle, put the donkey jacket in the clothes bin, wear baseball cap or a flat cap that isn't tweed, possibly buy a kangol and get with the modern world.

Re: Canadian club in 2017? : Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:50 am  

Plus they already have a fan base better than Wakey, Cas, Widnes and Salford.

If they make SL won't hold us back because they can't compete with the big boys and make sure they hold us back.

The race to the bottom has made SL more even, not by dragging it up but by lowering it to the Wakefield standard. We struggle to attract the talent like we used to.
Think of times when we had players like Wally Lewis and Mal Meninga, Iro bros, Gene Miles, Jamie Lyon, even lesser players like Stacey Jones would light SL up now.
No we get dog sha*gers and people taking a mickey in their own mouth, people with bad attitudes NRL clubs won't take on, people taking a turd on a hotel floor or unsavoury guys who bag their team mates wives and GF's

Im sick of the likes of Wakefield telling solvent clubs what they can and can't do because they can't get their own house in order.
The salary cap hasn't even raised with inflation, technically it gets lower each year.
Now i have to watch Wigan and Hudds playing compete homegrown WWE stars bore the cr*p out of me week on week, Wire look shat without their star player, incidentally another that fell foul of the NRL.
Even the champs resort to signing players of the calibre of Galloway and Falloon, from a team that won the treble only being able to recruit THAT pile of poo.

Salfords halfback surplus to requirements in the NRL ripping it up here.
Denny Solomona unheard of in Aus killing it here

All because our standard is pathetic, let's just forget Canada, let's merge ourselves with the Queensland Cup teams and still see us get a spanking week in week out.

Re: Canadian club in 2017? : Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:51 am  

Wire Yed wrote:

Ok my take on this is...firstly i would imagine logistics have already been discussed between TWP and the RFL, the have seen it can be done so they did it.

This from what i can gather is being financed by a rich Canadian in charge of the club.
All air fares, hotels and transport covered by them, so costing the RFL the sum total of sod all.
You tell me any one of you, right this second that if i gave you a bit of notice that you wouldn't take a free ticket off me, all expenses paid to spend 3 or 4 days in Toronto? Easy sell for the players with maximum potential of 2 games a season in Canada at that level.

People arguing it weakens Canada's RL because we'll be taking a side out of the equation? No if anything it gives players in other teams something to strive for and play in a more established league.

Small clubs some with no money and some with insular fans some both, arguing it could stop them from getting in SL? So what, especially Leigh, you had a chance last season and it was obvious you wasn't ready. If they overtake you and take 'your' place in SL so be it. The clubs with no money moaning, can gfts. Sick of clubs with not enough £ having too much of an influence.

To the fans that say it is too far or too much....simple, don't go, listen on the radio or you could be lucky and it be in tv, it is not your right to go to games no matter how much you want to. I missed Widnes last week and will miss Wigan tonight and gutted on both scores, it is what it is. 

To those that say it will fail...it may well do but it is at zero risk to the rfl and all the costs are coming from Canada, so what is your issue?

"But we should invest in Cumbria" why should we, why?
It's just hills and floods and occasional towns spread out over miles, Barrow is a toilet, Workington and Whitehaven not much better all spread out over miles, Penrith stinks (no seriously it does) and has a small following and the biggest place in Cumbria isn't really interested in RL.

Then we have clubs like Oldham, Rochdale and Swinton who should be growing the Manchester game, all dying on their backsides.

Liverpool isn't interested, Lancashire has no professional clubs anymore (no I'm not getting into a debate about sodding old Lancashire)

Newcastle have a passing interest, counties next to the 'heartlands' like Derbyshire, Staffordshire, Lincolnshire even to a large extent 'South Yorkshire' couldn't give a monkeys about RL, we have paid lip service to it in London, Wales and the Midlands.

So why the fk not Canada? We live in a modern age, the pits have closed (not getting into a Tory/Thatcher argument either) times have changed, when the Whippet passes away then buy a labradoodle, put the donkey jacket in the clothes bin, wear baseball cap or a flat cap that isn't tweed, possibly buy a kangol and get with the modern world.

Totally agree

Re: Canadian club in 2017? : Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:53 am  

Wire Yed wrote:

Ok my take on this is...firstly i would imagine logistics have already been discussed between TWP and the RFL, the have seen it can be done so they did it.

This from what i can gather is being financed by a rich Canadian in charge of the club.
All air fares, hotels and transport covered by them, so costing the RFL the sum total of sod all.
You tell me any one of you, right this second that if i gave you a bit of notice that you wouldn't take a free ticket off me, all expenses paid to spend 3 or 4 days in Toronto? Easy sell for the players with maximum potential of 2 games a season in Canada at that level.

People arguing it weakens Canada's RL because we'll be taking a side out of the equation? No if anything it gives players in other teams something to strive for and play in a more established league.

Small clubs some with no money and some with insular fans some both, arguing it could stop them from getting in SL? So what, especially Leigh, you had a chance last season and it was obvious you wasn't ready. If they overtake you and take 'your' place in SL so be it. The clubs with no money moaning, can gfts. Sick of clubs with not enough £ having too much of an influence.

To the fans that say it is too far or too much....simple, don't go, listen on the radio or you could be lucky and it be in tv, it is not your right to go to games no matter how much you want to. I missed Widnes last week and will miss Wigan tonight and gutted on both scores, it is what it is. 

To those that say it will fail...it may well do but it is at zero risk to the rfl and all the costs are coming from Canada, so what is your issue?

"But we should invest in Cumbria" why should we, why?
It's just hills and floods and occasional towns spread out over miles, Barrow is a toilet, Workington and Whitehaven not much better all spread out over miles, Penrith stinks (no seriously it does) and has a small following and the biggest place in Cumbria isn't really interested in RL.

Then we have clubs like Oldham, Rochdale and Swinton who should be growing the Manchester game, all dying on their backsides.

Liverpool isn't interested, Lancashire has no professional clubs anymore (no I'm not getting into a debate about sodding old Lancashire)

Newcastle have a passing interest, counties next to the 'heartlands' like Derbyshire, Staffordshire, Lincolnshire even to a large extent 'South Yorkshire' couldn't give a monkeys about RL, we have paid lip service to it in London, Wales and the Midlands.

So why the fk not Canada? We live in a modern age, the pits have closed (not getting into a Tory/Thatcher argument either) times have changed, when the Whippet passes away then buy a labradoodle, put the donkey jacket in the clothes bin, wear baseball cap or a flat cap that isn't tweed, possibly buy a kangol and get with the modern world.

Absolutely this.

There is also a prevailing theme that I don't understand. This idea that "we should do help Cumbria", that "we need to develop the heartlands", "we need to work on Wales / Scotland / Midlands / London (delete as appropriate)".

Who is this "we" that people speak of? And why is it down to "we" to address these issues?

Is "we" the RFL? If so, I why is it down to the RFL to support any club, not least those who have had long enough to develop themselves, to structure themselves professionally, to develop and grow their own revenue streams, their commercial revenue and their supporter base?

The RFL owes nothing to any club in the sport. If any supporter of any club is frustrated by the failings that they perceive around their club, direct your ire at the people responsible - not Red Hall.

Re: Canadian club in 2017? : Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:57 am  

Wire Yed wrote:

Ok my take on this is...firstly i would imagine logistics have already been discussed between TWP and the RFL, the have seen it can be done so they did it.

This from what i can gather is being financed by a rich Canadian in charge of the club.
All air fares, hotels and transport covered by them, so costing the RFL the sum total of sod all.
You tell me any one of you, right this second that if i gave you a bit of notice that you wouldn't take a free ticket off me, all expenses paid to spend 3 or 4 days in Toronto? Easy sell for the players with maximum potential of 2 games a season in Canada at that level.

People arguing it weakens Canada's RL because we'll be taking a side out of the equation? No if anything it gives players in other teams something to strive for and play in a more established league.

Small clubs some with no money and some with insular fans some both, arguing it could stop them from getting in SL? So what, especially Leigh, you had a chance last season and it was obvious you wasn't ready. If they overtake you and take 'your' place in SL so be it. The clubs with no money moaning, can gfts. Sick of clubs with not enough £ having too much of an influence.

To the fans that say it is too far or too much....simple, don't go, listen on the radio or you could be lucky and it be in tv, it is not your right to go to games no matter how much you want to. I missed Widnes last week and will miss Wigan tonight and gutted on both scores, it is what it is. 

To those that say it will fail...it may well do but it is at zero risk to the rfl and all the costs are coming from Canada, so what is your issue?

"But we should invest in Cumbria" why should we, why?
It's just hills and floods and occasional towns spread out over miles, Barrow is a toilet, Workington and Whitehaven not much better all spread out over miles, Penrith stinks (no seriously it does) and has a small following and the biggest place in Cumbria isn't really interested in RL.

Then we have clubs like Oldham, Rochdale and Swinton who should be growing the Manchester game, all dying on their backsides.

Liverpool isn't interested, Lancashire has no professional clubs anymore (no I'm not getting into a debate about sodding old Lancashire)

Newcastle have a passing interest, counties next to the 'heartlands' like Derbyshire, Staffordshire, Lincolnshire even to a large extent 'South Yorkshire' couldn't give a monkeys about RL, we have paid lip service to it in London, Wales and the Midlands.

So why the fk not Canada? We live in a modern age, the pits have closed (not getting into a Tory/Thatcher argument either) times have changed, when the Whippet passes away then buy a labradoodle, put the donkey jacket in the clothes bin, wear baseball cap or a flat cap that isn't tweed, possibly buy a kangol and get with the modern world.

Nailed it.