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Re: Canadian club in 2017? : Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:23 pm  
If a multi millionaire bought Hunslet tomorrow, and said he was going to build them a new stadium, invest millions in coaching and infrastructure, and aim to reach SL within five years, would people claim it was unfair?

Why is it any different if it's a club based a bit further away?

I have my doubts about whether it will work, but as others have said it's basically a free hit for the RFL. If it falls flat on it's face then we've not lost our. Yet there's a chance (however slim) that it will be a huge success story that will grow the game in North America. It's a no brainer for me.

We should always be proud of our heritage, and there are lots of clubs that are struggling who are a big part of our history, we shouldn't ignore them or condemn them to rot forever in League 1. But if they don't have the capability of progressing, we can't just lower the whole sport to their level and tread water for ever more. We need to push on, and this is a chance to do just that.
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Re: Canadian club in 2017? : Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:29 pm  
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Ok my take on this is...firstly i would imagine logistics have already been discussed between TWP and the RFL, the have seen it can be done so they did it.

This from what i can gather is being financed by a rich Canadian in charge of the club.
All air fares, hotels and transport covered by them, so costing the RFL the sum total of sod all.
You tell me any one of you, right this second that if i gave you a bit of notice that you wouldn't take a free ticket off me, all expenses paid to spend 3 or 4 days in Toronto? Easy sell for the players with maximum potential of 2 games a season in Canada at that level.

People arguing it weakens Canada's RL because we'll be taking a side out of the equation? No if anything it gives players in other teams something to strive for and play in a more established league.

Small clubs some with no money and some with insular fans some both, arguing it could stop them from getting in SL? So what, especially Leigh, you had a chance last season and it was obvious you wasn't ready. If they overtake you and take 'your' place in SL so be it. The clubs with no money moaning, can gfts. Sick of clubs with not enough £ having too much of an influence.

To the fans that say it is too far or too much....simple, don't go, listen on the radio or you could be lucky and it be in tv, it is not your right to go to games no matter how much you want to. I missed Widnes last week and will miss Wigan tonight and gutted on both scores, it is what it is. 

To those that say it will fail...it may well do but it is at zero risk to the rfl and all the costs are coming from Canada, so what is your issue?

"But we should invest in Cumbria" why should we, why?
It's just hills and floods and occasional towns spread out over miles, Barrow is a toilet, Workington and Whitehaven not much better all spread out over miles, Penrith stinks (no seriously it does) and has a small following and the biggest place in Cumbria isn't really interested in RL.

Then we have clubs like Oldham, Rochdale and Swinton who should be growing the Manchester game, all dying on their backsides.

Liverpool isn't interested, Lancashire has no professional clubs anymore (no I'm not getting into a debate about sodding old Lancashire)

Newcastle have a passing interest, counties next to the 'heartlands' like Derbyshire, Staffordshire, Lincolnshire even to a large extent 'South Yorkshire' couldn't give a monkeys about RL, we have paid lip service to it in London, Wales and the Midlands.

So why the fk not Canada? We live in a modern age, the pits have closed (not getting into a Tory/Thatcher argument either) times have changed, when the Whippet passes away then buy a labradoodle, put the donkey jacket in the clothes bin, wear baseball cap or a flat cap that isn't tweed, possibly buy a kangol and get with the modern world.


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Re: Canadian club in 2017? : Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:29 pm  
The announcement has gotten a fair amount of TV minutes and column inches over here since yesterday. The #packiscoming trending on social media also. There is a genuine excitement about Rugby League coming to Toronto; interest in the domestic Ontario league went through the roof compared to previous months. I was pleasantly surprised there wasn't some derisory Facebook postings from some of the Union trolls over here, the reaction being overwhelmingly positive.

One thing North America has going for it is the lack of schismatic upbringing, they don't have to pick one code or the other. It's a level playing field in those terms and while Union may have the slight lead, an ambitious promoter with a keen marketing sense and good financial backing could make up ground and take that lead away. Eric Perez is definitely that type of promoter.

Rugby League is much closer to NFL/CFL, it's simplicity is its strength and this is the best opportunity for growing the sport of Rugby League in years, to crack North American market as a major niche sport could unlock unheard of resources for our game.
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Re: Canadian club in 2017? : Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:47 pm  
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The announcement has gotten a fair amount of TV minutes and column inches over here since yesterday. The #packiscoming trending on social media also. There is a genuine excitement about Rugby League coming to Toronto; interest in the domestic Ontario league went through the roof compared to previous months. I was pleasantly surprised there wasn't some derisory Facebook postings from some of the Union trolls over here, the reaction being overwhelmingly positive.

One thing North America has going for it is the lack of schismatic upbringing, they don't have to pick one code or the other. It's a level playing field in those terms and while Union may have the slight lead, an ambitious promoter with a keen marketing sense and good financial backing could make up ground and take that lead away. Eric Perez is definitely that type of promoter.

Rugby League is much closer to NFL/CFL, it's simplicity is its strength and this is the best opportunity for growing the sport of Rugby League in years, to crack North American market as a major niche sport could unlock unheard of resources for our game.


I read an article by a Canadian the other day that was essentially saying similar stuff. Saying that a lot of people don't know what rugby league is but have watched union and basically don't understand anything that is going on when the ref blows for a million different penalties in the scrum and ruck. Like you say the simplicity will be the positive, watch a few games and you will understand the game which is what is needed to bring new fans in.

This is the article, some good positive points in there.

http://blogs.theprovince.com/tag/toronto-wolfpack/
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The announcement has gotten a fair amount of TV minutes and column inches over here since yesterday. The #packiscoming trending on social media also. There is a genuine excitement about Rugby League coming to Toronto; interest in the domestic Ontario league went through the roof compared to previous months. I was pleasantly surprised there wasn't some derisory Facebook postings from some of the Union trolls over here, the reaction being overwhelmingly positive.

One thing North America has going for it is the lack of schismatic upbringing, they don't have to pick one code or the other. It's a level playing field in those terms and while Union may have the slight lead, an ambitious promoter with a keen marketing sense and good financial backing could make up ground and take that lead away. Eric Perez is definitely that type of promoter.

Rugby League is much closer to NFL/CFL, it's simplicity is its strength and this is the best opportunity for growing the sport of Rugby League in years, to crack North American market as a major niche sport could unlock unheard of resources for our game.


I read an article by a Canadian the other day that was essentially saying similar stuff. Saying that a lot of people don't know what rugby league is but have watched union and basically don't understand anything that is going on when the ref blows for a million different penalties in the scrum and ruck. Like you say the simplicity will be the positive, watch a few games and you will understand the game which is what is needed to bring new fans in.

This is the article, some good positive points in there.

http://blogs.theprovince.com/tag/toronto-wolfpack/
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Re: Canadian club in 2017? : Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:50 pm  
On an on-going basis then it isnt going to work. For many reasons. Not just limited to Toronto.

A transatlantic league at semi-pro level (and lets be honest some L1 clubs are barely meeting that level) just isnt sustainable. Nor is a league where attendances are ranging from barely the low hundreds to 7k.

No reason why our top flight can't be a worldwide competition.
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Re: Canadian club in 2017? : Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:47 pm  
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On an on-going basis then it isnt going to work. For many reasons. Not just limited to Toronto.

A transatlantic league at semi-pro level (and lets be honest some L1 clubs are barely meeting that level) just isnt sustainable. Nor is a league where attendances are ranging from barely the low hundreds to 7k.

No reason why our top flight can't be a worldwide competition.
OUR, then it's not is it ?

No thanks expansion lover, other cities can start their own 'world league' if they want, and then see how it goes... ! :lol: :lol:
Who do you support, hinting 7K is low? You can only be a fan of maybe 8 clubs who average more than that. So Genius, what should 'established' SL clubs do to boost crowds that might get close to what you think is acceptable. I know, let's replace 20+ English clubs (gradually though) with Cities from planet earth, who WILL bring more to our, I mean the game than current clubs do. :BLAH:
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Re: Canadian club in 2017? : Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:11 am  
I like the idea. Hope it works. Just like that old adage about coaches listening to crowds ending up being one of them, the same holds true to paying too much attention to the weakest sides in the sport.
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Re: Canadian club in 2017? : Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:04 am  
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OUR, then it's not is it ?

No thanks expansion lover, other cities can start their own 'world league' if they want, and then see how it goes... ! :lol: :lol:
Who do you support, hinting 7K is low? You can only be a fan of maybe 8 clubs who average more than that. So Genius, what should 'established' SL clubs do to boost crowds that might get close to what you think is acceptable. I know, let's replace 20+ English clubs (gradually though) with Cities from planet earth, who WILL bring more to our, I mean the game than current clubs do. :BLAH:


An increase in funding through worldwide sponsors exposed to more audiences as well as increased television coverage and rights as internationals become more interesting and competitive. More exposure in the media advertises our clubs to larger audiences, which would increase interest and crowds.

Or...

Shrink the game to just Yorkshire and Lancashire (and a bit of Cumbria), get a reduced TV deal because bit many are interested, get stuffed internationally, lose our best players continually to other leagues or sports, go part time, reduced funding and exposure and thus smaller crowds.

You're looking at how much of the pie you can share.

Others are looking at how big we can make the pie.
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Re: Canadian club in 2017? : Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:18 am  
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OUR, then it's not is it ?

No thanks expansion lover, other cities can start their own 'world league' if they want, and then see how it goes... ! :lol: :lol:
Who do you support, hinting 7K is low? You can only be a fan of maybe 8 clubs who average more than that. So Genius, what should 'established' SL clubs do to boost crowds that might get close to what you think is acceptable. I know, let's replace 20+ English clubs (gradually though) with Cities from planet earth, who WILL bring more to our, I mean the game than current clubs do. :BLAH:


Who exactly is being 'replaced' by Toronto?
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Re: Canadian club in 2017? : Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:07 am  
Now its on for next year has a taster for next year get the owner to get to super league teams to go at the end of the season to play a game for all the fans to show what might happen if they are good enough to get to super league and good publicity for the game
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