Re: The in's and Out's of Superleague : Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:55 am  

Donnyman wrote:

And nothing at all to balance your opinion in terms of what if the other party were maliciously not telling the truth??.

Again it's best to stick to Rugby matters on here, although given your last post demanding "proof" and "evidence" of all I say then I hold very little hope of that happening......

I don't have an opinion one way or the other,, and I don't do what if's, that's why I said it's best to wait till the trial and all the relevant facts from both sides come out.

I'm not sure what your getting at here, just explain to me where I've demanded proof and evidence and just what is it you hold very little hope of it happening?

Re: The in's and Out's of Superleague : Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:50 am  

happyjack wrote:

His case is listed for that date but at the moment he is still a free man, as you put it in another post that he may well get a custodial sentence, but atm I emphasise the word free man because until he is convicted he is just that, he's not locked up on remand which if his crime is that serious that's where he would/should be, it's okay you taproom barristers coming on here with the all this indignation and claiming the moral high ground, wouldn't it be simpler to wait until after the trial and all the facts come to light, just because the CPS have charged him doesn't make him guilty, he wouldn't be the first to walk free from court, so unless you already know the facts which I doubt I not sure you should be discussing it on here, surely it's sensible to wait then if he's found guilty then hopefully he'll get what's coming to him.

Again, what I’ve written is just factual.
I’ve not expressed an opinion on whether he is guilty or not.
I’ve made two points about Gelling:
1. He’s due to stand trial for GBH.
2. If convicted (notice the IF) of the offence he is accused of, he might get a custodial sentence.
Both of these points are facts, not opinions..

Re: The in's and Out's of Superleague : Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:53 am  

Donnyman wrote:

If innocent until proven guilty, and the courts are to decide that, then the club should give way to the courts.

But of course if the player concedes wrong doing to the club and consequent sanctions from the club then fair enough.

I can't see an RFL regulation working where the player does not concede wrong doing in the period before the alleged misdemeanour is tried in Court.

Would you rush to suspend a player who denies a charge who could then turn out to be wholly innocent. That suspension would be read by fans as guilty......

Then that Mud sticks....

I guess Jack De Belin will be the test case for this, IF he is not found guilty.

Re: The in's and Out's of Superleague : Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:55 am  

nottinghamtiger wrote:

Again, what I’ve written is just factual.
I’ve not expressed an opinion on whether he is guilty or not.
I’ve made two points about Gelling:
1. He’s due to stand trial for GBH.
2. If convicted (notice the IF) of the offence he is accused of, he might get a custodial sentence.
Both of these points are facts, not opinions..

So do you think he should play before his trial?

Re: The in's and Out's of Superleague : Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:56 am  

Donnyman wrote:

Can a club really unilaterally suspend anyone pending a court case, who denies a charge, on the club Directors "opinion" that said player is guilty?.

No, but that’s exactly what happens in Aus with the Integrity Unit.. The ‘no fault stand-down’ policy is exactly this.

Re: The in's and Out's of Superleague : Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:01 am  

Donnyman wrote:

And nothing at all to balance your opinion in terms of what if the other party were maliciously not telling the truth??. ..

Perhaps worth remembering that the other party isn’t the one facing trial and avoid the victim blaming.
To reach this stage, the debate isn’t about whether a crime has been committed. It’s about whether there is enough evidence to convict a particular individual of perpetrating it.

Re: The in's and Out's of Superleague : Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:05 am  

Cokey wrote:

So do you think he should play before his trial?

Honestly, I’m unsure.
One one hand, at the moment he’s an innocent man; on the other, he’s facing trial for a serious offence.
My original point was that I don’t think Leigh should have signed a player facing an imminent trial for GBH, and that it’s not the image the game should be promoting.

Re: The in's and Out's of Superleague : Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:08 am  

nottinghamtiger wrote:

Honestly, I’m unsure.

I'll leave it there then.

Re: The in's and Out's of Superleague : Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:18 am  

Cokey wrote:

I'll leave it there then.

Ther is nothing wrong with accepting that there are different perspectives!
Of course, at times we do restrict the employment of people accused of criminal offences. Whether that’s appropriate for an RL player, I’m not sure.

What I am sure of is that some kind of Integrity Unit in the UK game, capable of suspending players for off-field behaviour, would be a welcome introduction.

Re: The in's and Out's of Superleague : Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:21 am  

I dont think he should play no.

Terrible decision all round and again, makes a mockery of our sport.

Like beating up women, drink driving, homophobia, taking illicit drugs or bashing students? Cant get a job elsewhere because no one will employ you? No worries, come to super league in England, we are desperate. Never played rugby before? Doesnt matter, as long as you tick on of the aforementioned boxes we will have you