: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:31 pm  

Dave T wrote:

I don't write the rules. He was offside for that one play the ball.

It's no good trying to get pedantic, the player is offside for the one tackle, if another tackle is completed then the offside/onside starts again from that ptb.

Its no good getting pedantic? The irony.

: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:32 pm  

saint billy wrote:

Sinfield only ended up behind JJB because JJB carried on running forward, the ball hit JJB's hand and quite clearly went forward, but he carried on his run.

Well if a player runs forward after passing the ball its legal even though the ball has gone forwards.

[Sadfish]

: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:32 pm  

Could you please change m wrote:

The think that narks me about the Burrow no try is the fact that you would have to penalise every prop forward when one of the back 3 plays the ball after the kick return.

Not really as most Props wouldn't have got involved in the next play the ball usually as it was a backs try.

: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:32 pm  

Derwent wrote:

The second Bradford try was a joke though and clearly the wrong decision. An offence was committed by Newton that should have been a penalty to Leeds. It makes absolutely no difference whether the player he took out would have got to the kicker or not. It's still a penalty to take out a player like that regardless of the circumstances. The offence happened prior to the try being scored and at that point the play should be dead. Shocking decision.

Several players were hit off the ball through-out the game, that went unpunished, from both teams.

: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:32 pm  

saint billy wrote:

I think it was the Saints-Wakefield game a few weeks back, i'm sure Graham got warned for it. I'm sure the referee said to him 'Wait till the balls played next time James.' I'm not 100% sure it was that game or player but i am positive i heard someone warned to wait until the ball is played before chasing the kick.

I know what your saying, and that also happens and happens most times, but i have definatly seen a few times this season players chase kicks before the ball is actually played, as i say, i remember someone getting told to wait by the referee, but not penalised. I have definatly seen it this season on at least one occasion.

On your last point there, does Webb not become involved when he is running at the fullback? Because he is putting the fullback in several minds as to which player to go for, so he must be involved?

On your first point, like I said earlier, it does happen occasionally, but if they don't get involved (ie make a tackle) then there is no penalty given. A good ref will communicate and tell them they are offside and they won't make a tackle.

re Webb, it's a good point, but one that would happen unfortunately, it is a quirk, but one which rarely happens, hence the discussion here, as it was a rare one.

Re: Alibert : Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:33 pm  

Neil HFC wrote:

:lol: tbh I've not seen the Leeds/Bradford game yet, but I assume he was up to his normal standards?

Correct. And last night at the Quins match. Didn't cost us the match or anything but was generally inept.

: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:34 pm  

At least nobody (apart from 1 buffoon) is disagreeing with Aliberts ignorance when it came to Newton taking JJB out off the ball.

: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:35 pm  

I thought Ganson reffed the derby fine.
He let things flow and allowed rugby as it should be imo.

: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:35 pm  

Could you please change m wrote:

Well if a player runs forward after passing the ball its legal even though the ball has gone forwards.

If the ball leaves your hands in a forward motion, then its a forward pass, that's pretty much end of story.

He didn't pass it anyway.

: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:37 pm  

Dave Lister wrote:

Again, who defines what consitutes a pass? JJB transfered the ball to McGuire. Players often don't have control of the ball when "passing", with many similar flicks taking place. Again, I will re-itterate, if Ian Smith called a forward pass, perfectly fine, Smith would NEVER have called that as a knock-on though. Surely you can agree with me there? If he decided there was an offence at the time of occurance, it would have been a forward pass and not knock on.

I don't agree.

When a ref has to make a call on a pass, he looks at how the player is holding the ball, which direction his hands are facing etc. This 'pass' from JJB had none of these characteristics to look at, which suggests to me that it isn't technically a pass, and it is fair to assume that the ball has come off his hand, and if the decision is that the ball has gone forward, then it is a knock on.
It had no characteristics of a traditional RL pass.