: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:20 am  

Alice's Phallus wrote:

Quins, unlike the northern clubs, are starved of mass media attention. The only way that Quins crowds will improve is when a second London club is licensed and the national and local London news media start to take rugby league in London seriously.

That's a tall order. Surely the RFL can help take steps to promote the game in the Capital on behalf of Harlequins and any other prospective club. I don't think clubs can do it on their own. The media have to be pursuaded to channel their resources from Football and Rugby Union if there is to be any progress in this area and i can't see them doing that.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:32 am  

littlerich wrote:

That's a tall order. Surely the RFL can help take steps to promote the game in the Capital on behalf of Harlequins and any other prospective club. I don't think clubs can do it on their own. The media have to be pursuaded to channel their resources from Football and Rugby Union if there is to be any progress in this area and i can't see them doing that.

You are right. The clubs cannot do it on their own. The RFL will have to do it.

However my point is that one club in the capital, in a competition which now has 14 clubs, half of them in Yorkshire, 4 of them in what was once Lancashire, is of little appeal to the national media. Especially since four of those clubs in Yorkshire cannot get a crowd of 10,000 to their home games.

Yorkshire needs to be rationalised (drop Wakefield, and maybe Cas, or combine them into a Calder United club with Wakey and Cas in the Championship as feeders), and more clubs that represent the nation and Europe must be given Super League licenses. Rugby League does not need to have seven Yorkshire clubs in Super League. The Championship is the ideal location for the smaller Yorkshire (and Cumbrian) clubs. The goal of the Championship should be to have clubs with roughly 4-7,000 home crowds in decent stadia, and on TV once a week. Super League should be for clubs that can hope to get 10,000 average home crowds. Salford, Harlequins and Celtic cannot do it now, but in the future, with rationalisation and more national mass media publicity, they probably can. Wakefield and Castleford are maxed out at 7,000. They simply do not have the population base for more spectators.

Only when we add at least one more club into London, and start to change the geographical balance of clubs in Super League, will the national media be motivated to give rugby league more publicity. It is the lack of publicity that is killing the crowds in London, making it difficult in Wales, and starving the game of more adequate corporate sponsorship.

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: Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:44 am  

Alice's Phallus wrote:

Castleford are maxed out at 7,000. They simply do not have the population base for more spectators.

Is that why we took over 10,000 to the NL1 Grand Final in 2007? Is that why our average is currently 8,003. You don't half talk some crap.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:49 am  

Fully wrote:

Is that why we took over 10,000 to the NL1 Grand Final in 2007? Is that why our average is currently 8,003. You don't half talk some crap.

Tell me who counted the 10,000 Cas fans at Headingley. I want to meet him.

Now, early in the year, while you are winning, and with the statistical bias of a local derby against Wakefield already played, it may be 8,003. Let us take a look at the figures of home crowd average at year's send. That might wipe the smirk off your face.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:50 am  

Fully wrote:

Is that why we took over 10,000 to the NL1 Grand Final in 2007? Is that why our average is currently 8,003. You don't half talk some crap.

Ican't believe people take this c u next tues bait. He is a complete wind up merchant, either that or a very deluded man with only half a brain cell!

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:57 am  

Uptoncat wrote:

Ican't believe people take this c u next tues bait. He is a complete wind up merchant, either that or a very deluded man with only half a brain cell!

Thats hardly fair on people with half a brain cell, is it.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:59 am  

Mergers worked in the NRL. (St George Illawarra, Wests Tigers). They can work in Yorkshire (Calder United).

Wakefield is history.

That overweight, pompus loud mouth Sir Rodney Walker talks the talk, but rarely walks the walk. He walks the waddle to be precise. Look at the mess he left the RFL in when he departed. He is good at looking after himself, with membership of boards and titles and the money that comes with those perks. But he shares responsibility for the multi million pound loss that rugby league suffered in the 2000 World Cup. It took the RFL years to get back in the black after he left. And you Wakey fans put your faith in this man's promises of a gleaming new stadium?

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:00 pm  

Alice's Phallus wrote:

You are right. The clubs cannot do it on their own. The RFL will have to do it.

However my point is that one club in the capital, in a competition which now has 14 clubs, half of them in Yorkshire, 4 of them in what was once Lancashire, is of little appeal to the national media. Especially since four of those clubs in Yorkshire cannot get a crowd of 10,000 to their home games.

Yorkshire needs to be rationalised (drop Wakefield, and maybe Cas, or combine them into a Calder United club with Wakey and Cas in the Championship as feeders), and more clubs that represent the nation and Europe must be given Super League licenses. Rugby League does not need to have seven Yorkshire clubs in Super League. The Championship is the ideal location for the smaller Yorkshire (and Cumbrian) clubs. The goal of the Championship should be to have clubs with roughly 4-7,000 home crowds in decent stadia, and on TV once a week. Super League should be for clubs that can hope to get 10,000 average home crowds. Salford, Harlequins and Celtic cannot do it now, but in the future, with rationalisation and more national mass media publicity, they probably can. Wakefield and Castleford are maxed out at 7,000. They simply do not have the population base for more spectators.

Only when we add at least one more club into London, and start to change the geographical balance of clubs in Super League, will the national media be motivated to give rugby league more publicity. It is the lack of publicity that is killing the crowds in London, making it difficult in Wales, and starving the game of more adequate corporate sponsorship.

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I think our average crowd this year bigger than yours dont understaimat the Cas fan Base we have a masive suport in Selby out my way Batley and Dewsbury. Kippax and Allerton Bywater, Nomington and Pontifract and most of East leeds like us or watch Cas.
I think there would be more people outside Cas who watch Cas than people who live inside Cas 10k average with a winning team is easly done.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:10 pm  

Alice's Phallus wrote:

Tell me who counted the 10,000 Cas fans at Headingley. I want to meet him.

Now, early in the year, while you are winning, and with the statistical bias of a local derby against Wakefield already played, it may be 8,003. Let us take a look at the figures of home crowd average at year's send. That might wipe the smirk off your face.

With home games against Hull, Hull KR, Wigan, Leeds, Warrington and Saints left to play..plus the winning and feel good factor we have, I'd say that keeping our average is fairly achievable.

I don't have a smirk, it's more of a laugh; a laugh at how limited your knowledge of our game is.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:21 pm  

Alice's Phallus wrote:

Mergers worked in the NRL. (St George Illawarra, Wests Tigers). They can work in Yorkshire (Calder United).

Wakefield is history.

That overweight, pompus loud mouth Sir Rodney Walker talks the talk, but rarely walks the walk. He walks the waddle to be precise. Look at the mess he left the RFL in when he departed. He is good at looking after himself, with membership of boards and titles and the money that comes with those perks. But he shares responsibility for the multi million pound loss that rugby league suffered in the 2000 World Cup. It took the RFL years to get back in the black after he left. And you Wakey fans put your faith in this man's promises of a gleaming new stadium?

Where as you have achieved ??????????

























Thought not!