Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:25 pm  

morleys_deckchair wrote:

its the way its been done. Surely you wigan fans can see that this contract signing was announced at the same time as the salary cap change was aired to us via the the press, by IL !

Absolutely, said this from the start the RFL have made themselves look stupid, especially enabling Wigan to announce the changes making it look like Wigan have done what they wanted.

morleys_deckchair wrote:

the gripe is that wigan have engineered a salary caps change (as good as it is for a few other clubs) that benefits them before anyone else.

I can see why some people are a bit narked by it.

But there is no way that other Chairman didn't know about this change as it was being discussed as well, I highly doubt it's been a big secret between the RFL and IL, this won't have gone ahead without a yes from the rest of the league I'd imagine.

And it can benefit anyone else now, how many players have Saints signed this year already? They are well within their rights to give Lomax/Roby/Gaskell/Foster pay rises in line with the new scheme on top of the few signings you've already made, exactly the same as Wigan have done with Tomkins/Charnley.

Wigan haven't used this extension to sign the new players, they were signed long ago and only just announced, Tomkins and subsequently Charnleys new deals weren't. I fail to see how this is only benefitting Wigan in the short term, all clubs can do exactly the same as Wigan NOW if they so choose to

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:57 pm  

its fair play to wigan from me...no complaints whatsoever about this decision regarding the salary cap.

the timing was the issue..... im not bothered though as the wire will beat be beating them home and away AGAIN in the league next season

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:18 pm  

morleys_deckchair wrote:

the timing was the issue..... im not bothered though as the wire will beat be beating them home and away AGAIN in the league next season

Fine by me, as long as we beat you in the 1 game that actually mattered between us all season

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:19 pm  

morleys_deckchair wrote:

its fair play to wigan from me...no complaints whatsoever about this decision regarding the salary cap.

the timing was the issue..... im not bothered though as the wire will beat be beating them home and away AGAIN in the league next season

My worry in all this is that Wigan ask to have the cap increased and they get it. The RFL have gone back on it being a level playing field and now the difference in spending between the top and bottom is £100k a year more. Which results in clubs being unable to move up or down the ladder, just like in the old days.

Can I ask the Wigan fans a question. What if Josh Charnley has a mega year and is targeted by Union? He will be offered four or five times his Wigan deal etc. Do Wigan then let him leave? Force him to stay and upset him and the squad morale? Or do they apply for another increase?

Wigan's youth system is full of brilliant players, or so Rogues tells us depsite Maguire never using any of them and burning his squad out. What happens if Wigan bring three or four through like Saints have done with Makinson, Lomax, Gaskell, Wheeler and they are all targeted by Union clubs with offers of mega contracts?

Can anyone honestly see Wigan stopping at £100k?

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:21 pm  

inside_man wrote:

Fine by me, as long as we beat you in the 1 game that actually mattered between us all season

all games matter.... especially when we're making you do the wigan walk

seems to happen quite a lot these days.

our pack is going to destroy yours next season

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:23 pm  

morleys_deckchair wrote:

its fair play to wigan from me...no complaints whatsoever about this decision regarding the salary cap.

the timing was the issue..... im not bothered though as the wire will beat be beating them home and away AGAIN in the league next season

The timing is EXACTLY the issue.

Saints had failed to keep Graham despite offering as much as they could afford to; maybe another £100k would have made him think twice.

Maybe he'd have gone anyway, but to introduce a cap amendment which some clubs can benefit from immediately while others have already lost the opportunity to take advantage of it is highly unfair.

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:27 pm  

Cragganmore Kid wrote:

The timing is EXACTLY the issue.

Saints had failed to keep Graham despite offering as much as they could afford to; maybe another £100k would have made him think twice.

Maybe he'd have gone anyway, but to introduce a cap amendment which some clubs can benefit from immediately while others have already lost the opportunity to take advantage of it is highly unfair.

exactly....its really not that hard to understand.

i bet saints would have loved this cap change rule to try and keep graham.

as good as sam tomkins is..... you could easily say that graham is a bigger loss to saints than tomkins would be to wigan.

props like graham are irreplaceable.

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:29 pm  

morleys_deckchair wrote:

exactly....its really not that hard to understand.

Seemingly easy to ignore, though...

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:30 pm  

Cragganmore Kid wrote:

The timing is EXACTLY the issue.

Saints had failed to keep Graham despite offering as much as they could afford to; maybe another £100k would have made him think twice.

Maybe he'd have gone anyway, but to introduce a cap amendment which some clubs can benefit from immediately while others have already lost the opportunity to take advantage of it is highly unfair.

By that reasoning there would be no time at all which would be fair to bring in the cap amendment.

As it stands they'd done it during the off season when the cap isn't live, which makes more sense than bringing it in right in the middle of the season. Teams will still have let players go who they could have afforded, but that could happen at any point during the season.

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:39 pm  

Cragganmore Kid wrote:

The timing is EXACTLY the issue.

Saints had failed to keep Graham despite offering as much as they could afford to; maybe another £100k would have made him think twice.

Maybe he'd have gone anyway, but to introduce a cap amendment which some clubs can benefit from immediately while others have already lost the opportunity to take advantage of it is highly unfair.

I agree totally the timing is off.

But your acting as if Wigan haven't just lost a player to a different sport who was in the dream team last year, and who plays for England? If Wigan had done this sooner maybe they could have kept Joel as well.