Re: Toronto Wolfpack may pull out of Superleague : Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:13 pm  

J7P1 wrote:

Toronto Wolfpack "fully intend to field a team in the 2021 season"If the championship does not resume the 2020 season then the only fair outcome for Toronto in the 2021 season is League One with a twenty point deduction.

That's because the SKY deal goes to the end of the 2021 season but come 2022 there will be no American clubs. Not after all this nonsense. Having said this there aren't any now.

Please don't suggest real clubs in Championship one have to put up with what is left of them? Or the phoney Ottawa and New York.

Not sure what is left of TWP? A load of snake oil and T-Shirts with Wolfpack written on them? A load of unpaid bills.

Re: Toronto Wolfpack may pull out of Superleague : Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:19 pm  

Donnyman wrote:

Well nobody as it's most likely a few clubs may volunteer to take their place then how do you decide?

There was a suggestion SKY are furious about this, They pay for an Elite League and a full competition.

The players have a case that they were not contracted to a charade nor will they allow their own player welfare to be thrown to one side.

Sure someone can pick up the pieces if someone bankrolls it but how would a squad of say 24 championship players go, masquerading as TWP?

Like I say they probably need expunging like Streatham & Mitcham were in 1937. The game survived that. It would be big news then chip paper the day later.

After all the bluff and bluster, and ridiculous pretence from the American dream it's probaby time to take it on the chin and stop it all now and that includes Perez, and Wilby - but I dunno if there will be a cost.

Featherstone Rovers lost the million pound game last year. They should be invited to take Toronto’s place in 2020 and relegation should be scrapped, allowing them to build for 2021. Toronto cannot pick and choose when they want to play. If that’s the case, many clubs would be better financially by refusing to play in 2020 and coming back in 2021.

Re: Toronto Wolfpack may pull out of Superleague : Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:22 pm  

nottinghamtiger wrote:

Featherstone Rovers lost the million pound game last year. They should be invited to take Toronto’s place in 2020 and relegation should be scrapped, allowing them to build for 2021. Toronto cannot pick and choose when they want to play. If that’s the case, many clubs would be better financially by refusing to play in 2020 and coming back in 2021.

Mate - a good honest solution, if it's OK with the other good honest clubs, but to both our disappointment it seems those in charge want to make the charade into a full blown pantomime.

Re: Toronto Wolfpack may pull out of Superleague : Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:25 pm  

As much as I’m anti-Toronto, it just wouldn’t be cricket to relegate them especially as it’s looking like the Championship isn’t restarting and rumours of scrapping P+R for this year anyway.

A 12 point deduction and a suspended fine is the way to go.

Re: Toronto Wolfpack may pull out of Superleague : Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:29 pm  

Willzay wrote:

As much as I’m anti-Toronto, it just wouldn’t be cricket to relegate them especially as it’s looking like the Championship isn’t restarting and rumours of scrapping P+R for this year anyway. A 12 point deduction and a suspended fine is the way to go.

Mate, the sole owner and bankroller is gone and so are his cronies - and the contracted players who actually did their job want out on a breach of contract so there isn't anything left to "punish" is there?......

Re: Toronto Wolfpack may pull out of Superleague : Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:31 pm  

Willzay wrote:

As much as I’m anti-Toronto, it just wouldn’t be cricket to relegate them especially as it’s looking like the Championship isn’t restarting and rumours of scrapping P+R for this year anyway.

A 12 point deduction and a suspended fine is the way to go.

Club doles our massive contracts to high-profile players.
Club complains about salary cap.
Club complains about not being allowed to break salary cap.
Club asks for money from other clubs, despite said massive contracts to players who other clubs might have wanted to sign.
Club doesn’t pay suppliers.
Club doesn’t pay players.
Club decides they don’t want to play this season.

Relegation to the Championship would be a mild sanction.

Re: Toronto Wolfpack may pull out of Superleague : Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:37 pm  

There needs to be swift action and a severe punishment or other clubs will take the same option as TW.

Leigh are the only Championship club with a stadium suitable for Super League and should replace Toronto.

Re: Toronto Wolfpack may pull out of Superleague : Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:44 pm  

J7P1 wrote:

There needs to be swift action and a severe punishment or other clubs will take the same option as TW.

Leigh are the only Championship club with a stadium suitable for Super League and should replace Toronto.

Re: Toronto Wolfpack may pull out of Superleague : Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:46 pm  

J7P1 wrote:

There needs to be swift action and a severe punishment or other clubs will take the same option as TW.

Leigh are the only Championship club with a stadium suitable for Super League and should replace Toronto.

Widnes have a 14,000 all seater stadium more than capable of holding rugby in what is becoming a farce of a competition, not to mention one of the most competitive academies year in year out, despite being a league below

I don’t know what route the rfl will go down. There needs to be severe punishment or what’s stopping other clubs stepping forward doing the exact same, to save costs.

The team I feel for is Fev, having worked their booty off all year to get into a final, to get beat by a non sustainable franchise.

I’m not a Toronto fan but once they were in SL, i wanted it to work. I wanted them to bring quality over to the super league, sign some super stars and put on a show. But if you want to hand stupid contracts out to sonny bill and Leutele hoping for short term success, but when poop hits the fan you don’t want to bank roll it, move on. I believe they should be booted from super league but how they go about replacing them, is anyone’s guess right now

Re: Toronto Wolfpack may pull out of Superleague : Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:56 pm  

Pats plastic pitch wrote:

Widnes have a 14,000 all seater stadium more than capable of holding rugby in what is becoming a farce of a competition, not to mention one of the most competitive academies year in year out, despite being a league below

I don’t know what route the rfl will go down. There needs to be severe punishment or what’s stopping other clubs stepping forward doing the exact same, to save costs.

The team I feel for is Fev, having worked their booty off all year to get into a final, to get beat by a non sustainable franchise.

I’m not a Toronto fan but once they were in SL, i wanted it to work. I wanted them to bring quality over to the super league, sign some super stars and put on a show. But if you want to hand stupid contracts out to sonny bill and Leutele hoping for short term success, but when poop hits the fan you don’t want to bank roll it, move on. I believe they should be booted from super league but how they go about replacing them, is anyone’s guess right now

The problem with Widnes is do they have a stable financial situation, and do they have a team capable of being competitive in SL? The same questions also apply to Leigh, but I think the answers are better.

I think TWP have gone and burnt their bridges with SL and the RFL and they won't be coming back from this. The hubris of the Sonny Bill Williams signing has come back to bite them in a massive way.