Re: Discipline at Leigh : Tue May 26, 2015 11:24 pm  

Angelic Cynic wrote:

Instead,nobody who watches them,likes them.

I quite like watching them. And I'm finding this entire little fuss quite bizarre.

Leigh play the game in an uncompromising manner, that's for sure, but they also display skills a lot of 'better' SL teams would struggle to emulate. Brierley and Ridyard are superb talents. In some ways it harks back to the 'good old days', for better or worse - plenty of niggle alongside plenty of skill. Today's SL bores me at times with its sanitised gameplay.

I don't care that they push the limits. All RL teams try to do that and RL is a lot more than just running and passing - it's about how much can you take, and can you give it back? Can you stand up to intense aggression and come out on top? The games I most enjoyed winning as a player weren't the 'free-flowing' running games, they were the intense physical battles with plenty of bruises, and bit of biff, the rules stretched and plenty of sledging. Nothing more satisfying than winning those sort of games and having a beer with the opposition afterwards.

For me if their opposition reacts then more fool them. Leigh take it to their opponents and ask them if they can handle it, and clearly the answer in most cases is 'no'. Fev tried to match fire with fire but lost the physical and mental battle, as well as on the scoreboard, and as we saw a few of their lads lost the plot. It's up to other teams to up their game mentally and physically, not for Leigh to rein it it.

Apart from that cocky little get McNally. He deserves a slap.

Long live the biff.

Re: Discipline at Leigh : Tue May 26, 2015 11:38 pm  

Good post Cronus, ask any player from Barla to the NRL. If you 'allegedly' rough it up on purpose, doesn't mean you will win the game. I am jealous of a lot of Super League clubs, but do I spout off about them, NO. Check my posts. Credit where it's due, Leigh have done well, and like other fans, I only care about my team. I don't even hate Wigan Warriors, am I weird ?

Re: Discipline at Leigh : Tue May 26, 2015 11:45 pm  

There's nothing wrong with a bit of biff. But this isn't biff. This is just pushing every rule to the limit and beyond. Be it offside, holding down, interference and niggly shots, they should be penalised.

It's not like they're going out and seriously injuring players but it's niggly and against the rules and so should be penalised. The fact that it's not penalised often enough is what leads to Leigh continuing to do it and opposition teams getting frustrated. The conduct of the coach and other club officials also doesn't help Leigh's cause.

Let's be clear, this isn't biff. It's just cheating.
Most people want to see free flowing rugby on the back of tough runs and solid defence, not on the back of who can hold down or niggle the best. That's the worst of our game and is what puts people off the sport at both pro and amateur level.

Re: Discipline at Leigh : Tue May 26, 2015 11:49 pm  

Budgiezilla wrote:

Good post Cronus, ask any player from Barla to the NRL. If you 'allegedly' rough it up on purpose, doesn't mean you will win the game. I am jealous of a lot of Super League clubs, but do I spout off about them, NO. Check my posts. Credit where it's due, Leigh have done well, and like other fans, I only care about my team. I don't even hate Wigan Warriors, am I weird ?

Possibly the institution to have the single biggest negative effect on the sport in this country.

Re: Discipline at Leigh : Tue May 26, 2015 11:57 pm  

how many games have you seen leigh cheaturions play during their long unbeaten run ? (go on answer) and if you cheat, why should you win ? (bizarre post mate) guess its better being like Jamie peacock when somebody rubs their forehead against yours, just batter him ! and, did we cheat v salford & wakefield ?

Re: Discipline at Leigh : Wed May 27, 2015 12:01 am  

Him wrote:

Possibly the institution to have the single biggest negative effect on the sport in this country.

what a pathetic post. I'm outta here !

Re: Discipline at Leigh : Wed May 27, 2015 8:00 am  

Him wrote:

There's nothing wrong with a bit of biff. But this isn't biff. This is just pushing every rule to the limit and beyond. Be it offside, holding down, interference and niggly shots, they should be penalised.

It's not like they're going out and seriously injuring players but it's niggly and against the rules and so should be penalised. The fact that it's not penalised often enough is what leads to Leigh continuing to do it and opposition teams getting frustrated. The conduct of the coach and other club officials also doesn't help Leigh's cause.

Let's be clear, this isn't biff. It's just cheating.
Most people want to see free flowing rugby on the back of tough runs and solid defence, not on the back of who can hold down or niggle the best. That's the worst of our game and is what puts people off the sport at both pro and amateur level.

How many Leigh games have you actually seen to form this opinion?

The majority of championship games, the opposition slow play down against Leigh. A fast free flowing game suits Leigh.

As for always being offside, how many games have you seen involving any team from any league where the 10 metres is policed properly?

Re: Discipline at Leigh : Wed May 27, 2015 8:38 am  

Him wrote:

There's nothing wrong with a bit of biff. But this isn't biff. This is just pushing every rule to the limit and beyond. Be it offside, holding down, interference and niggly shots, they should be penalised.

It's not like they're going out and seriously injuring players but it's niggly and against the rules and so should be penalised. The fact that it's not penalised often enough is what leads to Leigh continuing to do it and opposition teams getting frustrated. The conduct of the coach and other club officials also doesn't help Leigh's cause.

Let's be clear, this isn't biff. It's just cheating.
Most people want to see free flowing rugby on the back of tough runs and solid defence, not on the back of who can hold down or niggle the best. That's the worst of our game and is what puts people off the sport at both pro and amateur level.

The highlighted bits more than anything makes me think you have formed this opinion based either on hearsay or on very limited (and blinkered) viewing of Leigh this season. Aggression is an issue and discipline is an issue but holding down and interference? Not at all, Leigh are desperate for a faster game than most Championship refs will allow. The game is played much slower than in SL and even slower when Leigh play as every team does everything they can to slow the game down to a crawl.

Batley at home this season we were 18 - 0 up after 6 minutes and (roughly) 36 - 6 by half time. We were playing some brilliant stuff and Batley looked stunned. The 2nd half was just a procession of lying on, half hearted scuffles, convenient injuries, 2 minutes to take drop outs and pushing and shoving at scrums after taking forever to form up. Ball was barely in play and it was almost impossible to play rugby. Think the 2nd half was 12 - 6 in our favour. It is that sort of tactic that we have come to expect week in week out because it keeps the score down and it also frustrates our lads who end up getting drawn in and fall for it hook, line and sinker.

We have plenty of things to work on but we do try to play fast expansive rugby. We are also more than capable of battling out a scrappy nasty win, we need to stick to the former but we far too often and far too easily get drawn into the latter. Especially in the past few weeks.

Re: Discipline at Leigh : Wed May 27, 2015 8:41 am  

When they played us, Leigh were simply better, when we made mistakes, they punished us, when we didn't defend properly, they punished us, they had more biff up front for sure, but I think they are the one team in the Championship that EVEN if we had of had an equal amount of biff, we still wouldn't have won! Good luck to them for the Middle 8's and promotion!

Re: Discipline at Leigh : Wed May 27, 2015 9:37 am  

I'm sorry but this is all nonsense

We can all sit around calling Leigh thugs when they play like this against all of the SL teams. But the fact is they won't.

They were relatively clean against Wakefield and seemed to be on the back foot until a spark in the second half that saw Wakey crumble like they have done every game since round 2.

When they're up against SL sides every week they'll be unable to play the way they do currently and will adopt different tactics as their current tactics won't work for them in SL imo.