Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:39 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

It is their decision that is right. If your customers decide not to buy from you then it is a pretty pisspoor business that blames the customer for this.

Bradford have a far stronger fan base than any side not currently in SL. Their worst ever SL attendance would be in Leigh's top 3, about 150% of Leigh's SL average.

If the fans arent buying what you are selling there is a good chance that it is because they dont want what you are selling. If P+R decreases the amount of fans attending games, then it is because despite all your desperate nonsense about the British Sporting psyche. British People dont want P+R

No matter which side of the P&R argument one comes from (and it's one issue where I can honestly claim to be right on the middle of the fence), I don't think anyone should confuse correlation with causation on this. Regardless of whether attendances go up or down this year I couldn't take seriously any argument that said "see, I told you you" with respect to the effect of P&R. WAY too many other factors to draw any conclusion.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:12 am  

RLBandit wrote:

No matter which side of the P&R argument one comes from (and it's one issue where I can honestly claim to be right on the middle of the fence), I don't think anyone should confuse correlation with causation on this. Regardless of whether attendances go up or down this year I couldn't take seriously any argument that said "see, I told you you" with respect to the effect of P&R. WAY too many other factors to draw any conclusion.

The justification and argument for P+R was solely based on the fact that it, and its reintroduction would provide ‘jeopardy’ and ‘jeopardy’ would attract fans.

Are there clubs in more jeopardy now that Wakefield? Bradford? London? Are they attracting more fans?

The fact is it isn’t only this season, it is pretty much every season in the pro era has followed the same pattern. Clubs at risk of relegation attract fewer fans. That is what has happened between 1996 and 2009, and it is what is happening now.

Now you may think that the fall we are seeing at these clubs is down to other factors, so look at them.

Bradford have financial issues. Well yes, but they have had them before; Did we see the same level of drop previously? Also, howmany clubs previously and in the future are likely to be relegated because they are struggling with finances?

You can argue that Wakefields’ stadium issues contribute to their large drop; Wasn’t the franchising put in place precisely to help clubs like Wakefield get a new stadium or at least demand that they had one fit for purpose?

Yes, there are other factors at work, we got rid of P+R because those factors will always be at work and we needed to mitigate them. P+R is, once again, as it always has, exacerbating them.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:18 am  

bewareshadows wrote: Did the Bradford and Catalan attendances ever get settled. Other than twitter!!! Bradford's was 8500 according to the official website. http://www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/fans/report/9925 But someone on Twitter said it's different so they must be right, of course.

bewareshadows wrote: Did the Bradford and Catalan attendances ever get settled. Other than twitter!!! Bradford's was 8500 according to the official website. http://www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/fans/report/9925 But someone on Twitter said it's different so they must be right, of course.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:17 pm  

5,410

5,410

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:34 pm  

William Eve wrote: 5,410 I think we have to take the clubs figure as accurate. As opposed to sporting life. It's the French one that also looked a little suspect.

William Eve wrote: 5,410 I think we have to take the clubs figure as accurate. As opposed to sporting life. It's the French one that also looked a little suspect.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:36 pm  

JonB95 wrote:

Catalan V Leeds in 2014 = 8,500 *SUSPICIOUS ROUNDED CROWD NUMBER*
Catalan V Leeds in 2013 = 9,465
% decrease = -10.20%

Could you provide a link to that suspicious attendance of 8,500?

Bradford Bulls also appear to be linked to a suspicious attendance of 8,500 depending on which official page on their official website you choose to believe.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:37 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

I think we have to take the clubs figure as accurate. As opposed to sporting life.

It's the French one that also looked a little suspect.

According to the Bradford Bulls official website, the attendance was 5,410 and 8,500 depending on where you look

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:40 pm  

JonB95 wrote:

SL Round 3 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year

....


Catalan V Leeds in 2014 = 8,500 *SUSPICIOUS ROUNDED CROWD NUMBER*
Catalan V Leeds in 2013 = 9,465
% decrease = -10.20%
*

I think this one needs to be down sized to 6300. It seems to be the one the superleague website are going with now.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:45 pm  

William Eve wrote: Could you provide a link to that suspicious attendance of 8,500? Bradford Bulls also appear to be linked to a suspicious attendance of 8,500 depending on which official page on their official website you choose to believe. http://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-leagu ... ns-v-leeds They had 8500 they now have 6300. http://www.superleague.co.uk have it as 6300. Not sure where you can get an official answer really. If Bradford are putting out both figures, could one be the old chestnut of actual attendance the other being tickets sold????

William Eve wrote: Could you provide a link to that suspicious attendance of 8,500? Bradford Bulls also appear to be linked to a suspicious attendance of 8,500 depending on which official page on their official website you choose to believe. http://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-leagu ... ns-v-leeds They had 8500 they now have 6300. http://www.superleague.co.uk have it as 6300. Not sure where you can get an official answer really. If Bradford are putting out both figures, could one be the old chestnut of actual attendance the other being tickets sold????

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:45 pm  

I always remember Bath RU getting 10,200*(figure may be wrong) which was they're maximum attendance every home match. always seemed suspect to me.


Anyway I'm just gonna wait until we take out P+R again in the next few years as low and behold nothing that made the RFL take away P+R last time has changed one dot.

We can just wait until we kill off a few clubs as they attempt to stay up in the SL at all costs or clubs who cannot afford to be relegated. Unless we offer relegated clubs large parachute payments to ease the drop in income.