Re: Centurions / Newcastle Application for SL 2021 : Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:33 pm  

Donnyman wrote:

OK so it's about attacking me as always. Last ever reply from me to you then..........

It's a forum.For opinions.I point out where you flip-flop and you accuse me of following you.

You show your hypocrisy and then,when it is pointed out,you accuse me of attacking you.

Bit thin-skinned for a little Englander.

Try and be consistent.All readers know you don't want overseas clubs ,and you just want M62 clubs.

Best just stay on those subjects where you maintain the same stance.

It's great that Thunder have access to M62 players via the universities.

That should be another criteria for promoting clubs.Do Leigh have a university?

Don't think so.Nor a railway station.

Interesting that you agree with promotion for off - field matters.

All sports should follow the innovative sport of rugby league...

Re: Centurions / Newcastle Application for SL 2021 : Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:15 pm  

The Silent H wrote:

I have no faith that the right decision will be made.

As for Toulouse, I do not think they will get the spot. Whether they should is a different debate altogether.

How is it a different debate? The applications for Superleague inclusion have to offer something to Superleague.

The formal analysis commissioned by the RFL of the value of TWP, Ottawa and New York was that they offer nothing to the game here. No TV money, no quality Players. Equally the analysis of the French was they offer very little unless you can show me a TV deal? Over to you or anyone else?? On the playing front Les Catalans have just signed McMeeken, I don't think he's French. They only have 4 French players in their first choice 17.

And the fact is when it comes to Toulouse they too have only 4 Frenchmen in their starting 17.

So Toulouse have been knocking on the SL door since 1996 when Paris pipped them at the post for a Superleague place. Toulouse have had what? 24 years to develop professional SL quality Rugby League players and it's certainly not a given that the four French lads they do have in their first 17 are of SL quality?? If they were Superleague quality then Les Catalans would have picked them up................

So it is reasonable to suggest that between the pair of them they are incapable of SL player development. It's no good talking about the French talent in the English SL clubs. That doesn't justify giving two places to two French clubs that bring nothing to superleague does it???

12 English clubs would of course provide any quality French RL lads the opportunity to come play here for an English club and develop their game here like Fages. We wouldn't lose any French RL talent if there were no French clubs in Superleague. We wouldn't lose the French clubs here as long as there is a championship in which both French clubs could then play their derby games, and see if the French TV want to pay for them, and they can play a few more French lads instead of sacking them all off.

The Championship would provide the places and a decent level of Rugby League for French RL lads to try their hand at becoming pro. It makes far more sense to drop Catalans down than hoist Toulouse up

What so called expansionists won't admit is that "expanding" two SL places to France can only be done by taking two SL places away from English clubs. We had London in Superleague who were removed by the waste of space that were TWP, now it seems some people wish for Bradford to be rejected for a French club.

But that's what the so-called "Expansonists" refuse to acknowledge, is if you put overseas clubs into superleague the English game contracts and the TV deal dissappears and everyone is dead.......

Re: Centurions / Newcastle Application for SL 2021 : Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:56 pm  

Steph Curry wrote:

I’m not going to do a Donnyman and claim I have definitive inside info (even though everytime he was proven to be lying)
But someone I know who has never been wrong before stated it’s definitely Bradford that will be announced on Monday.

Sad times for rugby league in this country

Steph, that man in the white outfit in your imaginary pub is not the real pope whatever his version of the Gregorian Calendar

Re: Centurions / Newcastle Application for SL 2021 : Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:50 pm  

wire-quin wrote:

It was originally by the 16th, they have now stated it will be Monday

Thanks. Once again I am right. Sorry Jean

Re: Centurions / Newcastle Application for SL 2021 : Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:52 pm  

Bent&Bongser wrote:

Steph, that man in the white outfit in your imaginary pub is not the real pope whatever his version of the Gregorian Calendar

U wot m8?

Re: Centurions / Newcastle Application for SL 2021 : Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:59 pm  

Donnyman wrote:

How is it a different debate? The applications for Superleague inclusion have to offer something to Superleague.

The formal analysis commissioned by the RFL of the value of TWP, Ottawa and New York was that they offer nothing to the game here. No TV money, no quality Players. Equally the analysis of the French was they offer very little unless you can show me a TV deal? Over to you or anyone else?? On the playing front Les Catalans have just signed McMeeken, I don't think he's French. They only have 4 French players in their first choice 17.

And the fact is when it comes to Toulouse they too have only 4 Frenchmen in their starting 17.

So Toulouse have been knocking on the SL door since 1996 when Paris pipped them at the post for a Superleague place. Toulouse have had what? 24 years to develop professional SL quality Rugby League players and it's certainly not a given that the four French lads they do have in their first 17 are of SL quality?? If they were Superleague quality then Les Catalans would have picked them up................

So it is reasonable to suggest that between the pair of them they are incapable of SL player development. It's no good talking about the French talent in the English SL clubs. That doesn't justify giving two places to two French clubs that bring nothing to superleague does it???

12 English clubs would of course provide any quality French RL lads the opportunity to come play here for an English club and develop their game here like Fages. We wouldn't lose any French RL talent if there were no French clubs in Superleague. We wouldn't lose the French clubs here as long as there is a championship in which both French clubs could then play their derby games, and see if the French TV want to pay for them, and they can play a few more French lads instead of sacking them all off.

The Championship would provide the places and a decent level of Rugby League for French RL lads to try their hand at becoming pro. It makes far more sense to drop Catalans down than hoist Toulouse up

What so called expansionists won't admit is that "expanding" two SL places to France can only be done by taking two SL places away from English clubs. We had London in Superleague who were removed by the waste of space that were TWP, now it seems some people wish for Bradford to be rejected for a French club.

But that's what the so-called "Expansonists" refuse to acknowledge, is if you put overseas clubs into superleague the English game contracts and the TV deal dissappears and everyone is dead.......

What you refuse to understand and acknowledge is that English clubs are not more deserving of any vacant place in Super league and therefore have no more right than any other club, something that seems to have confused you for some time.

By including overseas clubs you're not denying any place for English clubs. The place is still there if whichever English club is good enough to earn it. Are they afraid of the extra competition?

What you also don't understand is over saturation. The m62 is at peak saturation and each club added eats away at the commercial opportunities of their neighbors. Ever wondered why English clubs have not grown in the last decade or two?

The one club that has grown, Catalans.

Re: Centurions / Newcastle Application for SL 2021 : Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:14 am  

Donnyman wrote:

How is it a different debate? The applications for Superleague inclusion have to offer something to Superleague.

The formal analysis commissioned by the RFL of the value of TWP, Ottawa and New York was that they offer nothing to the game here. No TV money, no quality Players. Equally the analysis of the French was they offer very little unless you can show me a TV deal? Over to you or anyone else?? On the playing front Les Catalans have just signed McMeeken, I don't think he's French. They only have 4 French players in their first choice 17.

And the fact is when it comes to Toulouse they too have only 4 Frenchmen in their starting 17.

So Toulouse have been knocking on the SL door since 1996 when Paris pipped them at the post for a Superleague place. Toulouse have had what? 24 years to develop professional SL quality Rugby League players and it's certainly not a given that the four French lads they do have in their first 17 are of SL quality?? If they were Superleague quality then Les Catalans would have picked them up................

So it is reasonable to suggest that between the pair of them they are incapable of SL player development. It's no good talking about the French talent in the English SL clubs. That doesn't justify giving two places to two French clubs that bring nothing to superleague does it???

12 English clubs would of course provide any quality French RL lads the opportunity to come play here for an English club and develop their game here like Fages. We wouldn't lose any French RL talent if there were no French clubs in Superleague. We wouldn't lose the French clubs here as long as there is a championship in which both French clubs could then play their derby games, and see if the French TV want to pay for them, and they can play a few more French lads instead of sacking them all off.

The Championship would provide the places and a decent level of Rugby League for French RL lads to try their hand at becoming pro. It makes far more sense to drop Catalans down than hoist Toulouse up

What so called expansionists won't admit is that "expanding" two SL places to France can only be done by taking two SL places away from English clubs. We had London in Superleague who were removed by the waste of space that were TWP, now it seems some people wish for Bradford to be rejected for a French club.

But that's what the so-called "Expansonists" refuse to acknowledge, is if you put overseas clubs into superleague the English game contracts and the TV deal dissappears and everyone is dead.......

You seem to be fixated with Toulouse's crowds, something you told everyone didn't matter during the Toronto issue.

Under your rationale, perhaps clubs such as Leigh Fev and London should ply their trade in the Championship as well. Gives them time build their low crowds, player development. See, it works both ways.

Fev for example, are a team that relies on dual reg and they believe they could be a super league team. Why are they above your criticism, the very criticism that you direct at toulouse?

It's because toulouse are foreign and Fev and co are English.

Re: Centurions / Newcastle Application for SL 2021 : Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:23 am  

The Silent H wrote:

What you also don't understand is over saturation.

You invented that which is why I don't believe for one second your having a debate, more like a laugh

Re: Centurions / Newcastle Application for SL 2021 : Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:33 am  

The Silent H wrote:

You seem to be fixated with Toulouse's crowds......

What Crowds? they only had one big crowd last season they played. 6,000 supposedly turned up for the Toronto game so........

That's clearly the future for Catalans and Toulouse, form a French-North American league, Get Perez, Livolsi and Wilby over to Paris to meet Gausch and Sarrazain and take the whole thing from there.......

Clearly if the French fans find north American clubs so attractive but have no care when the English come to town then that's the way to go......

Re: Centurions / Newcastle Application for SL 2021 : Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:20 pm  

Donnyman wrote:

And the fact is when it comes to Toulouse they too have only 4 Frenchmen in their starting 17.

and the TV deal dissappears and everyone is dead.......

But the M62 Super League clubs struggle to manage a pair of English half backs after more than a century of existence, without a government interference, and the French club has a French head coach when the M62 Super League clubs appoint head coaches from overseas.

Only when a loss making owner of a M62 Super League club appoints a buddy from another sport does the TV deal disappear - no blame can be attached to an overseas club for that!