[Durham Giant]

: Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:53 pm  

Landy wrote Sorry to be all tit for tat here, but where i was stood we were inline of the Hudds defence for a long time when we were on your line in the second half, in the 2 sets of six i actually took notice of, at least 4 and even has high as 7 were offside and well offside aswell, i know you won, and deserved but how can you complain about us being offside when you were by far the worst culprits i have seen all season... although it didnt help the topuch judges being stood in the wrong position. and YES there were a hell of alot of grapple tackles last night, four a row in the second half from whichever Hudds players were involved, maybe we wern't angels either, i wasn't watching for us doing it, but to say there wern't any is completly and utterly wrong. Well i am all sorry to be Tit for tat as well BUT i have so far watched the first half on Sky and was looking at lots of different things in one ten minute period there were 4 incidents of tackles by Cas players where there was contact with the neck area either in commissioning the tackle or in the wrestle at 20.16 on Cudjoe, on 20.40 on jackson, on 22 on B Hodgson, 26 on whatuira on 40 minutes quite a bad one on Hodgson by Mc Goldrick. All of these involved action to the neck area. None of these however seemed to me to be deliberate but bad tackling technique all of which Huddersfield were guilty of as well. Maybe it is defintion but for me a grapple tackle is a deliberate or reckless hold on the neck. It does not mean every time a player has a tackle and the hand or arm comes into contact near the neck. On that basis we would be down to five a side every week. this however is what a grapple tackle loks like. team St Helens coach Mick potter http://i87.servimg.com/u/f87/13/57/68/52/_4550111.jpg That tackle did not even get a penalty However none of these were penalised nor were other offences. If it was a problem Ganson would have blown. he was quite happy to give penalties for everyting else except offside ( for both teams). Ganson seems to have no love for Huddersfield last season he binned two of our players and sent another off for backchatting him. If he did not penalise them is that because they were not there, he did not see them or he is becoming mellow in his old age. How many times did Eddie and Stevo mention Grapple tackles certainly not in the first 40 minutes. there is a problem with bad tackling in all teams and occassionally a GRAPPLE tackle but for Matterson to lay the blame for the defeat on our tackling is pathetic. Last season we were rightly condemned when Sharp blamed the refs for everything and making excuses maybe Cas fans need to look through what Matterson says.

Landy wrote Sorry to be all tit for tat here, but where i was stood we were inline of the Hudds defence for a long time when we were on your line in the second half, in the 2 sets of six i actually took notice of, at least 4 and even has high as 7 were offside and well offside aswell, i know you won, and deserved but how can you complain about us being offside when you were by far the worst culprits i have seen all season... although it didnt help the topuch judges being stood in the wrong position. and YES there were a hell of alot of grapple tackles last night, four a row in the second half from whichever Hudds players were involved, maybe we wern't angels either, i wasn't watching for us doing it, but to say there wern't any is completly and utterly wrong. Well i am all sorry to be Tit for tat as well BUT i have so far watched the first half on Sky and was looking at lots of different things in one ten minute period there were 4 incidents of tackles by Cas players where there was contact with the neck area either in commissioning the tackle or in the wrestle at 20.16 on Cudjoe, on 20.40 on jackson, on 22 on B Hodgson, 26 on whatuira on 40 minutes quite a bad one on Hodgson by Mc Goldrick. All of these involved action to the neck area. None of these however seemed to me to be deliberate but bad tackling technique all of which Huddersfield were guilty of as well. Maybe it is defintion but for me a grapple tackle is a deliberate or reckless hold on the neck. It does not mean every time a player has a tackle and the hand or arm comes into contact near the neck. On that basis we would be down to five a side every week. this however is what a grapple tackle loks like. team St Helens coach Mick potter http://i87.servimg.com/u/f87/13/57/68/52/_4550111.jpg That tackle did not even get a penalty However none of these were penalised nor were other offences. If it was a problem Ganson would have blown. he was quite happy to give penalties for everyting else except offside ( for both teams). Ganson seems to have no love for Huddersfield last season he binned two of our players and sent another off for backchatting him. If he did not penalise them is that because they were not there, he did not see them or he is becoming mellow in his old age. How many times did Eddie and Stevo mention Grapple tackles certainly not in the first 40 minutes. there is a problem with bad tackling in all teams and occassionally a GRAPPLE tackle but for Matterson to lay the blame for the defeat on our tackling is pathetic. Last season we were rightly condemned when Sharp blamed the refs for everything and making excuses maybe Cas fans need to look through what Matterson says.

: Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:02 pm  

I'm a bit confused. I didn;t think the grapple tackle was about slowing the play th ball down, more hanging round the players kneck making it uncomfortable for the attacker.

Surely that is a seperate issue from slowing the ptb down?

: Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:42 pm  

Durham Giant wrote:

....but for Matterson to lay the blame for the defeat on our tackling is pathetic.

Read the article properly. He hasn't blamed the defeat on that. "At the end of the day, that's not why we lost. We had enough opportunities." He was just merely commenting on what was clear to everyone.

: Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:47 pm  

-Beth- wrote:

Read the article properly. He hasn't blamed the defeat on that. "At the end of the day, that's not why we lost. We had enough opportunities." He was just merely commenting on what was clear to everyone.

"at 20.16 on Cudjoe, on 20.40 on jackson, on 22 on B Hodgson, 26 on whatuira on 40 minutes quite a bad one on Hodgson by Mc Goldrick. All of these involved action to the neck area."


Them clear enough to him?

: Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:03 am  

Gahan wrote:

"at 20.16 on Cudjoe, on 20.40 on jackson, on 22 on B Hodgson, 26 on whatuira on 40 minutes quite a bad one on Hodgson by Mc Goldrick. All of these involved action to the neck area."


Them clear enough to him?

Except we weren't penalised for them. Why is it that whenever a team has bad discipline, it's always because they're being victimised by the ref?

: Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:12 am  

-Beth- wrote:

Except we weren't penalised for them. Why is it that whenever a team has bad discipline, it's always because they're being victimised by the ref?

Which is exactly the point, why wasnt you penalised for them?


We are up the top end off the fair play index

Bad discipline?

[Durham Giant]

: Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:27 am  

Beth- wrote
Except we weren't penalised for them. Why is it that whenever a team has bad discipline, it's always because they're being victimised by the ref

And Huddersfield were not penalised for grapple tackles either. the thread is about grapple tackles not about our discipline. It was poor but most of it was technical penalties not foul play.

Our discipline was not good and all the penalties aginst us were deserved ( except for two which i thought were harsh). Castleford went through the whole second half with one penalty against even though Mc Goldrick clearly pushing hodgson over after the PTB which weas not penalised . Did Cas not commit one foul play or technical indescretion in 40 minutes or was there a bit of inconsistency from the ref

: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:47 am  

Cheshire Tiger wrote:

effort not execution got you the win and thats never a bad thing.

I disagree with that statement. I thought Hudds' execution was pretty good considering the penalty count seemed weighted against them (I don't know the actual numbers), Cas had enough chances to win 3 games and Hudds were down to 12 at a crucial point in the game. So personally I thought their execution when they got their chances was pretty top notch.

: Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:34 am  

StanTHEWildcat wrote:

matterson looking for excuses again, whenever cas lose its always somebodys elses fault.

Yes, that's EXACTLY what he's saying:

Terry Matterson wrote:

"At the end of the day, that's not why we lost. We had enough opportunities."

: Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:40 am  

At the end of the day Matterson wont blame this, Because we dropped a ball over the line, ust because our player couldnt be bothered to use 2 hands. We let Hudds score from the kick off within 20seconds, And then gifted them another try by throwing a silly offload out in our own 20

Hudds were controlling the ruck, Legally or otherwise and this made it very very hard for us to get ahead in the game when i thought we were by far the better team, And then we fight our way back level, And then concede the softest try in RL right under the posts, Can only have ourselves to blame, Same as against quins - We should be top of the league, Teams like Leeds and Saints win games in this situation, Hence why they are champions