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Re: Have Wigan fallen for it? : Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:16 pm  
I called this a while ago. Wigan always do this before cap rules are changed. They will overload with expensive contracts above the cap, then if the rule changes don't go through as planned they will cry to the RFL about a dispensation about existing contracts. The RFL will allow it as they are a bunch of incompetent fools.
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Re: Have Wigan fallen for it? : Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:26 pm  
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I called this a while ago. Wigan always do this before cap rules are changed. They will overload with expensive contracts above the cap, then if the rule changes don't go through as planned they will cry to the RFL about a dispensation about existing contracts. The RFL will allow it as they are a bunch of incompetent fools.


When has this happened previously?
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Re: Have Wigan fallen for it? : Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:19 pm  
Tomkins could always play for free? Wigan know how that works!!!
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Re: Have Wigan fallen for it? : Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:00 pm  
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When has this happened previously?


The last time Tomkins signed a contract with you. Luckily for you the RFL changed the rules a few days after to give you special dispensation.
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Re: Have Wigan fallen for it? : Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:10 pm  
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I called this a while ago. Wigan always do this before cap rules are changed. They will overload with expensive contracts above the cap, then if the rule changes don't go through as planned they will cry to the RFL about a dispensation about existing contracts. The RFL will allow it as they are a bunch of incompetent fools.


:lol:

Lenagan who's notoriously tight is no Uncle Mo!

Doubt we've been up to the cap since Tomkins left. It'll annoy people if Wigan sign Tomkins and then sign a marquee player :PRAY:
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Re: Have Wigan fallen for it? : Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:26 pm  
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Tomkins could always play for free? Wigan know how that works!!!


Maybe his partner will work in the club shop, the wages in there used to be well above minimum wage :shock:
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Re: Have Wigan fallen for it? : Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:34 pm  
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The last time Tomkins signed a contract with you. Luckily for you the RFL changed the rules a few days after to give you special dispensation.


You mean the rule that allowed every club special dispensation?

I'm fairly sure St Helens did it first with Keiron Cunningham anyway, didn't they?
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Re: Have Wigan fallen for it? : Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:56 pm  
Wigg'n wrote:
When has this happened previously?


The salary cap was introduced in 1998 and after provisional talks about it, Wigan went and signed up everything that moved on long contracts.

The Telegraph, July 2002 wrote:
Wigan were given special dispensation to exceed the salary cap because many of their players were on existing long-term contracts but they need to bring their spending into line with other clubs.


That was in 2002 when Wigan, having already being given special dispensation to break the cap for years, tried to break it further by handing David Furner a bumper and very much outside of the cap contract.

In 2011, further changes to the cap were made following a spate of high profile players leaving the competition. Wigan saw fit to give their's out prior to it actually being agreed:

The Daily Mail, November 2011 wrote:
Under changes to be agreed this week at a meeting of Super League representatives in Harrogate, clubs which produce players for England's elite training squad and the Knights will be given special dispensation to break the £1.65million wage limit. Wigan have already taken advantage of the relaxation of the regulations to top up the salary of England full-back Sam Tomkins which they say will comfortably make him the best-paid player in rugby league.


Sound familiar?

Wigan as a club were built on success. The kind of success bought by short term investment in the best players and coaches. They bankrupted themselves spending money on players in an irresponsible and unsustainable fashion. Were it not for Dave Whelan requiring a second usage element for the planning application for the DW Stadium, Wigan would have folded. They have always been anti-cap and some of their fans still don't get the concept today, arguing that its unfair that they as the worlds most successful RL club are held back by the other clubs.

BBC Sport, October 2009 wrote:
Wigan needed special dispensation from the Rugby Football League to employ Maguire, who was not at Wednesday's press conference at the DW Stadium but will join the club next month..


They even cheat when it comes to appointing coaches and I wasn't aware there were any rules governing that.

So, do you think it's even remotely possible Wigan have handed Sam Tomkins an excessively massive contract with the full knowledge that the proposed cap changes may not go through or may be revised beforehand? As ever with Wigan they go before the whistle. Other clubs will no doubt take full advantage of the potential cap changes, but those clubs will have the sporting grace to actually wait for them to happen!
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Re: Have Wigan fallen for it? : Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:51 am  
Be an interesting test of the cap as a whole if the marquee allowance didn't come in now.

First player with a contract or who would have had a contract could bring a case for restraint of trade. I'd be interested to hear any argument that it was a reasonable one 63% increase in TV revenue, large increase in crowds, wages falling by more about 60% since 02.
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Re: Have Wigan fallen for it? : Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:58 pm  
I'd be intrigued to know how a player who willingly signs a contract for a sports club knowing that a salary cap is in place, could then claim an illegal restraint of trade on the basis that something they thought was going to happen which might have increased their earning potential doesn't actually happen?

No sports lawyer with any ethics would advise them to do so, they would get laughed out of court.
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