Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:19 pm  

I really can't see how you're offended by my post yet you want to defend Tyson Fury http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sports ... -Holt.html Since becoming world champion Fury has continued to attack Holt’s character, saying on Tuesday that ‘it was all misquotes’. Fury has also been filmed talking to camera - grinning as he sits with his entourage - making threats to Holt. This included saying: 'See "big Shane" there. He's 6ft 6in and 25 stone. He's going break his [Holt's] jaw completely with one straight right hand. I won't do it as I'll get in trouble but the big fella there will annihilate him. 'Oliver, take a good look at him because that's the face you're going to see before you hit the deck. '[Turning camera to another member of his team] And that's the face you're going to see when he's jumping on your head.' Real Sportsman of the Year material is Tyson!

I really can't see how you're offended by my post yet you want to defend Tyson Fury http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sports ... -Holt.html Since becoming world champion Fury has continued to attack Holt’s character, saying on Tuesday that ‘it was all misquotes’. Fury has also been filmed talking to camera - grinning as he sits with his entourage - making threats to Holt. This included saying: 'See "big Shane" there. He's 6ft 6in and 25 stone. He's going break his [Holt's] jaw completely with one straight right hand. I won't do it as I'll get in trouble but the big fella there will annihilate him. 'Oliver, take a good look at him because that's the face you're going to see before you hit the deck. '[Turning camera to another member of his team] And that's the face you're going to see when he's jumping on your head.' Real Sportsman of the Year material is Tyson!

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:34 pm  

The Avenger wrote: I really can't see how you're offended by my post yet you want to defend Tyson Fury http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sports ... -Holt.html Real Sportsman of the Year material is Tyson! Your comment didn't offend me at all, it was tongue in cheek. Admittedly that doesn't always come across when written on a forum. We can agree that the man is an idiot, not the best role model (although the effort he has put in to get where he is cant be denied), and I admit that had he won a part of me would have been a little disappointed. However he achieved a great deal, even in a poor era for the division it is a huge thing to be heavyweight champ. The fact that people don't like his views shouldn't see him disqualified from the competition. If you disagree then that's up to you. Personally I think what Ryan Giggs did was worse than any thing Fury has ever said or done, but no one questioned it when he won.

The Avenger wrote: I really can't see how you're offended by my post yet you want to defend Tyson Fury http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sports ... -Holt.html Real Sportsman of the Year material is Tyson! Your comment didn't offend me at all, it was tongue in cheek. Admittedly that doesn't always come across when written on a forum. We can agree that the man is an idiot, not the best role model (although the effort he has put in to get where he is cant be denied), and I admit that had he won a part of me would have been a little disappointed. However he achieved a great deal, even in a poor era for the division it is a huge thing to be heavyweight champ. The fact that people don't like his views shouldn't see him disqualified from the competition. If you disagree then that's up to you. Personally I think what Ryan Giggs did was worse than any thing Fury has ever said or done, but no one questioned it when he won.

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:05 pm  

Exiled down south wrote:

So you don't accept the apology he made to the nation on live TV last night?

To be honest I think he needs to show a prolonged period of 'improvement'.....not just one apology which felt a desperate attempt to douse the flames both for him and the BBC who have also come under fire for this.

For those saying freedom of speech. Well yes but that applies both ways and people have the freedom of speech to criticise his views and believe he wouldn't be on the show. Personally think he should've been taken out of the show as it started to turn into a circus surrounding his involvement and having his named booed and having to issues apologies during his interview shouldn't be what the night involves. Also thought is was poor taste and unfair to Greg Rutherford that the BBC cut to him a couple of times during Fury's interview trying to obviously milk the heat between the two.

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:06 pm  

Mr. Zucchini Head wrote:

Personally I think what Ryan Giggs did was worse than any thing Fury has ever said or done, but no one questioned it when he won.

Giggs' win happened a year or two before all his antics came out.

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:10 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Giggs' win happened a year or two before all his antics came out.

Fair enough. I didn't realise it was that long ago that he won the award.

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:23 pm  

wire-quin wrote:

The guy is the world heavyweight boxing champion. Its a sport person of the year award. Only modern sensitivities (and views like yours) could prevent a worthy contender like Fury from being nominated. If it is truly a sport personality award then Jesus we have given it to Murray who by his own words is a dull as a weekend in Worthing.

Murray is world no 2 unlike Fury, Hamilton, Mo, JIH, etc etc

I hope you enjoyed your sports equivalent of Question Time.


Ps did you not hear Fury apologise??

Modern sensitivities?
What is wrong with someone objecting to Fury's views? Unless you're one Fury's tribe of feckwitted supporters who only think free speech is allowed one way.

Ah well at least incidents like Fury, Farage, Griffin etc flush out the racists and homophobes and general scumbags who don't dare stick their head above the parapet.

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:58 pm  

I didn't realise Nigel F was a Homophobe. Are all euro Sceptics Homophobes?

I suppose if you throw in a couple of polorising characters its adds to your argument. You've won me over.

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Mon Dec 21, 2015 5:02 pm  

Mr. Zucchini Head wrote:

Your comment didn't offend me at all, it was tongue in cheek. Admittedly that doesn't always come across when written on a forum.

We can agree that the man is an idiot, not the best role model (although the effort he has put in to get where he is cant be denied), and I admit that had he won a part of me would have been a little disappointed.

However he achieved a great deal, even in a poor era for the division it is a huge thing to be heavyweight champ. The fact that people don't like his views shouldn't see him disqualified from the competition. If you disagree then that's up to you. Personally I think what Ryan Giggs did was worse than any thing Fury has ever said or done, but no one questioned it when he won.

How would you feel if his remarks/views were not of a sexist or homophobic nature but were racist? Should racist comments be viewed as freedom of speech?

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Mon Dec 21, 2015 5:19 pm  

ironic that the 1st and 2nd in the sports "personality" award both have the personality of a pea! but well done to Sinfield, it's a big coup for RL to have someone in 2nd place.

although i do have to say i don't think the award or indeed the night is as prestigious as it used to be, i only watched bits of it last night but the bits i saw seemed to be very PC and sycophantic, awarding awards to NI people in Belfast for example.

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Mon Dec 21, 2015 5:42 pm  

oh and on the BBC radio 2 sports news this morning the reporter happily stated that Sinfield is technically a RU player and not a RL player