Re: Elite Academies : Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:32 pm  

''Castleford Tigers believes that the Club is currently fourth in the table for Super League appearances made by Academy products who are currently playing in Super League, this includes both at the Tigers and at other clubs"

So lets get this straight - you reckon Cas Tigers are lying?

Re: Elite Academies : Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:02 pm  

Tigerade wrote:

''Castleford Tigers believes that the Club is currently fourth in the table for Super League appearances made by Academy products who are currently playing in Super League, this includes both at the Tigers and at other clubs"

So lets get this straight - you reckon Cas Tigers are lying?

More Cas propaganda.

They are wrong. Plain and simple.

And in the last academy licencing period - which is what is assessed - Cas are bottom.

I do believe the RFL really should publish that data.

Re: Elite Academies : Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:36 pm  

Tigerade wrote:

''Castleford Tigers believes that the Club is currently fourth in the table for Super League appearances made by Academy products who are currently playing in Super League, this includes both at the Tigers and at other clubs"

So lets get this straight - you reckon Cas Tigers are lying?

Didn’t they also claim about 10 years ago they would get a super league worthy stadium in order to get a licence?

Re: Elite Academies : Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:20 am  

dboy wrote:

Typically classy response from a Bulls fan - it's ALWAYS someone else's fault!

Hopefully the 3 clubs will take the chance they have been given and make the required improvements.

If they aren't up to standard in 2 year's time, will that be Ralph's fault as well?

come on this was the most stupidest decision ever, its ok have a select few clubs having elite status but some families can't even afford to travel long distances to travel to elite academies, the more clubs that have their own the better for me it just doesn't make sense, maybe they should just look at the coaching certificates that get handed out as its them that are there to teach and select the cream

as for Rimmer the sooner he goes the better

Re: Elite Academies : Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:59 am  

Poky wrote:

Didn’t they also claim about 10 years ago they would get a super league worthy stadium in order to get a licence?

No they didn't make such a false claim, they agreed to try to work towards this. Leave out the baiting....

Some clubs that got new stadia got an awful lot of help from their councils. Castleford and Wakefield got no help at all through no fault of their own

Re: Elite Academies : Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:12 am  

Tigerade wrote:

''Castleford Tigers believes that the Club is currently fourth in the table for Super League appearances made by Academy products who are currently playing in Super League, this includes both at the Tigers and at other clubs"So lets get this straight - you reckon Cas Tigers are lying?

I once had a go at this about 10 years ago when Wigan were top producing players, and Leeds were doing very well too at that time. Saints were doing well too.

Struggling were such as Salford, and IIRC Warrington weren't doing to well..............

As I have said Featherstone won the cup with 12 Featherstone born players. It's clear over the decades the production of local quality RL players has been tumbling across the board big time. Even the city of Leeds with so much success in fairly recent years isn't doing so great.

I don't know if Cas are "fourth in the table" they could be, but the fact is academies across the board aren't producing the quality they did and everyone seems to max out on their import quota and despite these players being NRL rejects they are often the clubs best players.....

Re: Elite Academies : Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:59 am  

The RFL flipped quickly. What a joke and shows just how badly the sport is ran over here.

If you are going to make a decision at least believe in it and stand behind your convictions.

I don't know if it was the right decision but if you are going to to make big decisions don't give up so quickly.

As for the idea that players playing first grade is some kind of measure of the quality of acadamy it isn't. More important is if they are actually good enough and actually stay in first grade for a sustained period.

Playing a handful of games means nothing.

Re: Elite Academies : Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:08 pm  

puroresu_boy wrote:

As for the idea that players playing first grade is some kind of measure of the quality of acadamy it isn't. More important is if they are actually good enough and actually stay in first grade for a sustained period. Playing a handful of games means nothing.

Obviously lads with high squad numbers can get games late in the season covering injuries, and I agree that dosen't make them "professionals" nor the academy a producer of professionals.

Leeds were the first club to push for academies followed by Wigan. I am thinking Carl Ablett, Danny McGuire, Lee Smith, Ryan Bailey, Matt Diskin, Jamie Peacock (via Bulls academy) matt Diskin (from Dewsbury) Luke Burgess (Liversedge), Ben Jones Bishop, Jamie Jones Buchanan, Richie Mathers, Mark Calderwood, Chev Walker, Paul McShane, Danny ward and Ryan Hall (rothwell)....

All successful players indeed, but where are such players now at Leeds? Liam Sutcliffe and Ash Handley seem to be the only successes from the Leeds area academy.

If the founding academy with a lengthy record of producing it's own talent is struggling badly what of other clubs beyond Wigan & Saints......

Re: Elite Academies : Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:47 pm  

Stevie Ward (retired), Cam Smith, Mik Olezdski, Tom Holroyd, Morgan Gannon, Jack Broadbent, Jack Walker, Alex Sutcliffe

Then there's others at other clubs like Ash Golding, Alex Foster, Brad Singleton, Kalum Watkins, and Paul Mcshane etc

Re: Elite Academies : Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:33 pm  

Jack Burton wrote:

Stevie Ward (retired), Cam Smith, Mik Olezdski, Tom Holroyd, Morgan Gannon, Jack Broadbent, Jack Walker, Alex Sutcliffe

Then there's others at other clubs like Ash Golding, Alex Foster, Brad Singleton, Kalum Watkins, and Paul Mcshane etc

many thanks

You can't have Stevie ward as he dates back to when Leeds had a productive academy, and I named Paul McShane as well and he too dates back to then, and Kallum Watkins was enticed from Salford's academy.

The more up to date products you name prove my point that Leeds Academy are nothing special anymore so it's a bit rich the RFL having a go at Cas etc. Golding never really made it in SL and Jack Walker has proved to be talented but not physically up to it.as for Cameron Smith here is the ironic fact......

Smith was at Castleford Academy, the one the RFL want to shut down, and in Leeds desperation for talent he was made an offer by Leeds to join their academy.

Leeds is a city of 800,000 people and Castleford is only 40,000......

I'd like Ralph Rimmer to explain why Leeds Academy with 20 times as many kids to target for development into Rugby League professionals but is no longer producing quality RL players from the Leeds area, is supposedly so great................ yet Cas's academy should be shut down??