Re: 2017 Super League Ins & Outs : Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:00 am  

To suggest that the NSW cup is a standard below superleague is burying your head at how poor the standard is over here.
As for minechiello -you might want to look at the initial comment I made about him and think it through .

Re: 2017 Super League Ins & Outs : Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:07 am  

jools wrote:

To suggest that the NSW cup is a standard below superleague is burying your head at how poor the standard is over here.
As for minechiello -you might want to look at the initial comment I made about him and think it through .

Like it or not the NSW cup is a standard below SL that's why very average SL players can walk into there teams and become stars your comments make me realise you know nothing of that particular competition

Re: 2017 Super League Ins & Outs : Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:40 am  

fun time frankie wrote:

Like it or not the NSW cup is a standard below SL that's why very average SL players can walk into there teams and become stars your comments make me realise you know nothing of that particular competition

Of course it is, everyone knows it, apart from Jools.

As said, when players the standard in Tyrone McCarthy, who lets be honest is Championship standard, is in the dream team, it shows how much below SL it is.

Re: 2017 Super League Ins & Outs : Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:32 am  

Tyrone Mccarthy is no a championship player, to say so is being blinkered to support your own argument

This situation though is simply what happens when you have a p&r battle

By the time it's settled the best players are long signed up, leaving other options and it's been the case since 1973 that every single manager would pick an average Aussie because he will be of a certain standard rather than chance a young kid or championship player

Under Licencing clubs promoted youth and lower league players knowing they had that luxury. As soon as we went to p&r the journeymen returned

Out of interest, which props in England should Huddersfield have signed that are as good as Wakeman and wouldn't need a transfer fee?

Re: 2017 Super League Ins & Outs : Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:51 am  

Code13 wrote:

Tyrone Mccarthy is no a championship player, to say so is being blinkered to support your own argument

This situation though is simply what happens when you have a p&r battle

By the time it's settled the best players are long signed up, leaving other options and it's been the case since 1973 that every single manager would pick an average Aussie because he will be of a certain standard rather than chance a young kid or championship player

Under Licencing clubs promoted youth and lower league players knowing they had that luxury. As soon as we went to p&r the journeymen returned

Out of interest, which props in England should Huddersfield have signed that are as good as Wakeman and wouldn't need a transfer fee?

Nail on head.
It's all about availability and your comments about licencing are bang on.
It is inevitable that any of the SL clubs will go for "cheap" Aussie imports, rather than taking a chance on home grown youngsters.
It's exactly what happened previously and it was inevitable when P & R returned and for the longer term, this damages the domestic game.
Having said that, unless we return to franchising (or something similar), I dont know what the answer is.
We could have a transfer deadline some time before the split which would prevent wholesale changes to teams competing in either the Super 8's or Middle 8's or a tighter restriction on overseas players but, clearly, every coach will go for an experienced player vs a youngster in tight games.

Re: 2017 Super League Ins & Outs : Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:07 am  

Code13 wrote:

Tyrone Mccarthy is no a championship player, to say so is being blinkered to support your own argument

This situation though is simply what happens when you have a p&r battle

By the time it's settled the best players are long signed up, leaving other options and it's been the case since 1973 that every single manager would pick an average Aussie because he will be of a certain standard rather than chance a young kid or championship player

Under Licencing clubs promoted youth and lower league players knowing they had that luxury. As soon as we went to p&r the journeymen returned

Out of interest, which props in England should Huddersfield have signed that are as good as Wakeman and wouldn't need a transfer fee?

Mccarthy was average at Rovers, in a team that was poor in 2015, the fact that few Rovers were bothered when he left early says it all, id be interested if he came back what SL clubs would try and sign him.

If you read my posts I have never questioned signing this type of player, my club have signed similar in the past with some success and failure, what I can't agree with is fans coming on here trying to make out he is a good signing based on highlights (which in it's self is very misleading and could make any player look brilliant) and stats from an inferior.
competition.

Personally I would have kept Huby.

Re: 2017 Super League Ins & Outs : Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:14 am  

Dave K. wrote:

Mccarthy was average at Rovers, in a team that was poor in 2015, the fact that few Rovers were bothered when he left early says it all, id be interested if he came back what SL clubs would try and sign him.

If you read my posts I have never questioned signing this type of player, my club have signed similar in the past with some success and failure, what I can't agree with is fans coming on here trying to make out he is a good signing based on highlights (which in it's self is very misleading and could make any player look brilliant) and stats from an inferior.
competition.

Personally I would have kept Huby.

Your right Dave as someone who actually watched Tyrone McCarthy play for a season he reminds me of the player we replaced him with Chris Clarkson both extremely average players

Re: 2017 Super League Ins & Outs : Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:21 am  

Code13 wrote:

Tyrone Mccarthy is no a championship player, to say so is being blinkered to support your own argument

This situation though is simply what happens when you have a p&r battle

By the time it's settled the best players are long signed up, leaving other options and it's been the case since 1973 that every single manager would pick an average Aussie because he will be of a certain standard rather than chance a young kid or championship player

Under Licencing clubs promoted youth and lower league players knowing they had that luxury. As soon as we went to p&r the journeymen returned

Out of interest, which props in England should Huddersfield have signed that are as good as Wakeman and wouldn't need a transfer fee?

McCarthy is average and I'm not saying Wakeman is a bad signing in the slightest I'm just saying your can't compare the stats of two different standards of competition but on the other hand we signed Josh Mantellato from the NSW cup and he turned out to be a great signing and we've also signed proven NRL players who've turned out to be donkeys

Re: 2017 Super League Ins & Outs : Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:37 pm  

Dave K. wrote:

Mccarthy was average at Rovers, in a team that was poor in 2015, the fact that few Rovers were bothered when he left early says it all, id be interested if he came back what SL clubs would try and sign him.

If you read my posts I have never questioned signing this type of player, my club have signed similar in the past with some success and failure, what I can't agree with is fans coming on here trying to make out he is a good signing based on highlights (which in it's self is very misleading and could make any player look brilliant) and stats from an inferior.
competition.

Personally I would have kept Huby.

How about hodgson- did he make rovers look amazing? Did people think he'd be in line for the Dally M when he moved to the NRL? He was fantastic in a higher standard game- so yeah you could be right- you can't judge based on different competitions......

Re: 2017 Super League Ins & Outs : Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:57 pm  

jools wrote:

How about hodgson- did he make rovers look amazing? Did people think he'd be in line for the Dally M when he moved to the NRL? He was fantastic in a higher standard game- so yeah you could be right- you can't judge based on different competitions......

Glad we agree that you were talking nonsense in your assessment of a player using lower league stats.

I wonder how many Raiders fans were going nuts about him when he signed based on his SL stats and video highlights I would guess none.

Another good comparison, get your money on Wakeman for SL dream team and MOS.