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Re: Lance Hohaia retires : Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:36 pm  
I have said before I think that there is a deliberate decision to avoid sending players off as it has such a huge impact on our game.

I suggested a sub-sending off, where a player is forcibly substituted and sits out the rest of the game. So they play no further part and their side loses a rotation sub, but it doesn't have as big an effect as a sending off.
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Re: Lance Hohaia retires : Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:40 pm  
Got to feel for Lance.

Like any player who has to retire due to injury it's never the way they want to go out.

Not the fairy tale ending to a pretty good career.

I hope given time away from playing he can start to recover from the head injury.
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Re: Lance Hohaia retires : Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:51 pm  
very disappointing statement from Blake Solly, who along with Saints seem desperate to shut down any talk on this issue.

“As far as we’re concerned at the Rugby Football League, the matter has already been dealt with,” he said. “There was a disciplinary panel last October which appropriately dealt with matters when we suspended Ben. We won’t be going any further into it. That’s as far as the RFL’s involvement into it stretches.”

Really Blake? nothing we can learn about post concussive care? nothing to be investigated as to whether we can do more to protect players from concussion and related effects? no duty of care to investigate if this is more widespread than just one player? No moral duty to make sure the Lance Hohaia is ok and properly cared for post-RL? no duty to every player who has ever or will ever play to make sure that everything we can learn about this is learned and every effort is put in to protecting them?
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Re: Lance Hohaia retires : Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:55 pm  
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very disappointing statement from Blake Solly, who along with Saints seem desperate to shut down any talk on this issue.

“As far as we’re concerned at the Rugby Football League, the matter has already been dealt with,” he said. “There was a disciplinary panel last October which appropriately dealt with matters when we suspended Ben. We won’t be going any further into it. That’s as far as the RFL’s involvement into it stretches.”

Really Blake? nothing we can learn about post concussive care? nothing to be investigated as to whether we can do more to protect players from concussion and related effects? no duty of care to investigate if this is more widespread than just one player? No moral duty to make sure the Lance Hohaia is ok and properly cared for post-RL? no duty to every player who has ever or will ever play to make sure that everything we can learn about this is learned and every effort is put in to protecting them?


What is worse is addressing the 'perp' on first name terms like that. It's so annoying.
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Re: Lance Hohaia retires : Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:26 pm  
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very disappointing statement from Blake Solly, who along with Saints seem desperate to shut down any talk on this issue.

“As far as we’re concerned at the Rugby Football League, the matter has already been dealt with,” he said. “There was a disciplinary panel last October which appropriately dealt with matters when we suspended Ben. We won’t be going any further into it. That’s as far as the RFL’s involvement into it stretches.”

Really Blake? nothing we can learn about post concussive care? nothing to be investigated as to whether we can do more to protect players from concussion and related effects? no duty of care to investigate if this is more widespread than just one player? No moral duty to make sure the Lance Hohaia is ok and properly cared for post-RL? no duty to every player who has ever or will ever play to make sure that everything we can learn about this is learned and every effort is put in to protecting them?


If Flower had done what he did in boxing, he would never be allowed in the ring again. And that's in BOXING.

The whole idea that the 'poor lad' has a god-given right to ply his trade as a Rugby player, and to deny him this is somehow heinous is absolute bullsh1t. If an accountant is caught commiting fraud, he can't practice as an accountant any more. If a policeman shoots an unarmed man he wouldn't be allowed back on the beat. (As well as whatever criminal proceedings arrive in those cases.) The reason is that when you're a professional, and League players are supposed to be professional now, you have certain responsibilities to that profession, and the trade body has a responsibility to safeguard the reputation of their other members. In not banning Flower sine die the RFL have neglected that responsibility. (And I've been watching RL 30+ years and can't think of a single other incident that would more merit that sentence, at least since Les Boyd & Steve Bowden in the early 80s). A two and a half month playing ban is absolute joke and opens up the RFL to charges of ignoring the issues.

And as for poor "Ben", so what if he can't play rugby again? Fine, give him counselling, give him anger management, give him vocational training if you're that bothered. But like the fraudulent accountant, he has no right to continue in the profession he let down so badly. He can still get other jobs in other walks of life without any physical restriction, which is more than Hohaia can.
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Re: Lance Hohaia retires : Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:28 pm  
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very disappointing statement from Blake Solly, who along with Saints seem desperate to shut down any talk on this issue.

“As far as we’re concerned at the Rugby Football League, the matter has already been dealt with,” he said. “There was a disciplinary panel last October which appropriately dealt with matters when we suspended Ben. We won’t be going any further into it. That’s as far as the RFL’s involvement into it stretches.”

Really Blake? nothing we can learn about post concussive care? nothing to be investigated as to whether we can do more to protect players from concussion and related effects? no duty of care to investigate if this is more widespread than just one player? No moral duty to make sure the Lance Hohaia is ok and properly cared for post-RL? no duty to every player who has ever or will ever play to make sure that everything we can learn about this is learned and every effort is put in to protecting them?


I couldn't agree more; for a professional organisation to wash it's hands of this situation with a terse and dismissive statement like that, is very poor form. From a governance point of view, there is a responsibility to learn from serious incidents and demonstrate changes to policy or procedure designed to prevent them from happening or again, or mitigating the impact.

This has the whiff of the beginnings of something serious - and the RFL statement has the counter-whiff of a something that the legal dept has drafted...
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Re: Lance Hohaia retires : Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:04 pm  
as well as the welfare of lance hohaia - the RFL also have to consider the welfare of Ben Flower.
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Re: Lance Hohaia retires : Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:12 pm  
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as well as the welfare of lance hohaia - the RFL also have to consider the welfare of Ben Flower.

Ben Flower and only Ben Flower bares responsibility for the consequences of his actions. This injury may very well be one of them. His 'welfare' takes 2nd place.

However, it really isn't the issue here. Ben Flower is kind of irrelevant at this point. The issue is Lance Hohaia and the injury he has suffered.
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Re: Lance Hohaia retires : Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:29 pm  
Is there much else that the RFL can do???

It's not like it was something that came about due to the rules of the game. It was down to foul play that the injury has occurred and that is and has always been banned.

The heroes welcome back for flower had little to do with the RFL or flower and was all about Sky and Wigan fans bigging up his return. In the end he had done his time. Banning him for life would have been an extreme consequence and whilst I'm unsure about whether it was long enough in the end he was always going to come back at some point.
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Re: Lance Hohaia retires : Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:57 pm  
Lance Hohaia is a classic cause and effect player. Whilst not condoning the OTT action of Flower, Hohaia brought the action on himself.
He's always been a nasty niggler and he has to suffer the consequences of his actions.
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