Re: England coach : Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:59 pm  

McNamara out for me.

2013 - lost to Italy, had a poor WC, had a PR nightmare and only a gallant loss to the Kiwis papered over the cracks
2014 - poor against Samoa, bottled it against a weak Australia and beaten by the Kiwis
2015 - squeezed past the Kiwis reserves in the most dour set of Tests I've ever seen

Lots of candidates out there for mine:
McDermott, Wane, Powell

My dream choice would be McNamara's superior...Trent Robinson. Won't happen though.

Re: England coach : Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:20 pm  

He's done ok, but if you do what you always do you will get what you always got. My worry is the RFL will think an occasional series victory against a weakened NZ is success.

Re: England coach : Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:32 pm  

Surely any of McDermott, Wane, or Powell would be a big improvement?

Re: England coach : Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:04 pm  

Not quite sure how England "bottled it" against Australia in 2014, given they were a VR decision away from winning the game?

Results against the "Big Two" have been on a steady upward curve over the last couple of years. Harsh to swing the axe under those circumstances

Re: England coach : Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:35 pm  

richardviking wrote:

McNamara out for me.

2013 - lost to Italy, had a poor WC, had a PR nightmare and only a gallant loss to the Kiwis papered over the cracks
2014 - poor against Samoa, bottled it against a weak Australia and beaten by the Kiwis
2015 - squeezed past the Kiwis reserves in the most dour set of Tests I've ever seen

Lots of candidates out there for mine:
McDermott, Wane, Powell

Stop speaking sense!

Re: England coach : Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:58 am  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Results against the "Big Two" have been on a steady upward curve over the last couple of years. Harsh to swing the axe under those circumstances

In 12 games against NZ & Australia, England have won 3 under Steve McNamara - a win ratio of 25% against the top international teams.

2 of those victories came this year against an NZ team missing their first choice half backs (Johnson & Foran), captain (Mannering), main attacking threat (Vatuvei) & their biggest go forward (Warea-Hargeaves). Would NZ have won this test series if all those had played...we will never know but an educated guess is that they probably would have done

It seems to me as though a 2-1 series win against an under-strength Kiwi team has "papered over the cracks" for a lot of people in terms of McNamara's coaching abilities when the reality is once again in the World Cup 2 years away we will be no nearer beating Australia or NZ with him as coach when it matters.

The main issue is who to replace him with, as unfortunately I dont think anybody is available currently who would realistically be interested in the job who is any better than McNamara (assuming Powell, McDermott, wane etc are unable to do it alongside their club head coach role)

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Re: England coach : Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:38 am  

McNamara out.


He is a poor coach and a narrow win against nz second string does not alter that.

He is a part time coach in Australia.


I would rather a part time coach in England .


Powell wane Anderson McDermott all have better coaching records than McNamara .

Get rid now for the good of RL on this country

Re: England coach : Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:13 pm  

I'm amazed how often Wane's name comes up on here as a suggestion for England coach. He's got the 2nd easiest head coach job in SL and hasn't been particularly successful. Is he tactically astute? He seems very passionate and hard-working but I wouldn't say he was an improvement on Steve Mc. Powell or McDermott or no change for me.

Re: England coach : Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:40 pm  

Of course, in the interests of a balanced assessment, you have to look at both sides and provide relative comparisons.

wakey_saint wrote:

In 12 games against NZ & Australia, England have won 3 under Steve McNamara - a win ratio of 25% against the top international teams.

What was England's win ratio for the years prior to Steve McNamara?

Have the margins of defeat got smaller or larger?

2 of those victories came this year against an NZ team missing their first choice half backs (Johnson & Foran), captain (Mannering), main attacking threat (Vatuvei) & their biggest go forward (Warea-Hargeaves). Would NZ have won this test series if all those had played...we will never know but an educated guess is that they probably would have done

England didn't have any injuries then?

It seems to me as though a 2-1 series win against an under-strength Kiwi team has "papered over the cracks" for a lot of people in terms of McNamara's coaching abilities when the reality is once again in the World Cup 2 years away we will be no nearer beating Australia or NZ with him as coach when it matters.

Except it mattered last Saturday, and we won.

The main issue is who to replace him with, as unfortunately I dont think anybody is available currently who would realistically be interested in the job who is any better than McNamara (assuming Powell, McDermott, wane etc are unable to do it alongside their club head coach role)

Re: England coach : Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:07 pm  

Been England coach is the easiest job in the world there's only 2 teams that can beat and as long as you trade wins with one of them and beat the other one the odd time your laughing