Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Sun Apr 20, 2014 10:26 pm  

loiner81 wrote:

The fact that they're actually up overall so far this season should be the big talking point. .

Indeed...yet the OP seems to have gone very quiet and nobody seems keen to take up the mantle.....which is a pity.

On the topic of recession......I didn't say all was well, I simply pointed out that the country isn't in recession.....

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Sun Apr 20, 2014 10:29 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Well no, because the person above meant consumer confidence, not recession (and to be fair, they generally go hand in hand) - and consumer confidence has only just (as in literally in the last month) risen to pre 2008 levels. If you regionalise the statistics, and correlate the "core" rugby league community, there's still quite a way to go before consumer confidence is near the levels it once was. Therefore, wide economical factors can still be taken into consideration - but not as severally as recent years - hence, to keep in line with economical figures a small 1-5%* increase should be expected - a drop this year would indicate the sport under performing commercially (without considering any other factors that might be taking place)

*note I haven't done the figures properly! merely roughly in my head.

Fair enough....but I responded to a comment about recession.

I put a Brentford property on the market in 2008 and got not 1 enquiry in 2008....12 months, not a tickle. I put the property on the market in November last year, had 16 viewings on day 1 and had exchanged and completed by December 20th for 19% more than I was asking in 2008.....the corner is being turned.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:12 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Fair enough....but I responded to a comment about recession.

I put a Brentford property on the market in 2008 and got not 1 enquiry in 2008....12 months, not a tickle. I put the property on the market in November last year, had 16 viewings on day 1 and had exchanged and completed by December 20th for 19% more than I was asking in 2008.....the corner is being turned.

Big difference between a luxury/hobby like paying to attend sporting events and buying a home.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:18 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Fair enough....but I responded to a comment about recession.

I put a Brentford property on the market in 2008 and got not 1 enquiry in 2008....12 months, not a tickle. I put the property on the market in November last year, had 16 viewings on day 1 and had exchanged and completed by December 20th for 19% more than I was asking in 2008.....the corner is being turned.

Indeed it is, and it's a fascinating story into why and what is causing that change in direction - certainly a very swift and directive move in the London area overcompensates for a lag in the rest of the country (which is tied to the property market in London - which in turn is to do with the downturn in the value of bullion gold and it's long term outlook - but that's a whole other debate for another day) - which is why I started the analysis of regionalised statistics

But as you say, that's not to say there isn't an increase country wide (which there is in everywhere except some parts of Scotland iirc)

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:49 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Big difference between a luxury/hobby like paying to attend sporting events and buying a home.

Most assuredly

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:23 am  

One thing I will say is that the official stats this year have been dodgy across the board.

Anyone who takes a look at the average gain etc for the players in their own side will have seen several weeks where this has not been done correctly.

There was an attendance figure attached to 3 different games over a 2 week period.

The low attendance at bradford was tweeted but not published. Is this a case of attendances not matching sales??? ie 5k attended but add in season ticketers who did not turn up and the ticket sales made another figure.

It's one thing to put up attendances, I would have no problem doing this myself up or down, but if the usual sources are not reliable then what are we to do. Even I would get fed up with William questioning the figures I used each week. I'm sure Catalan went with one match having 3 differing attendances. Well it's not the OP's fault or who evers fault if the independant reporters can't get the figures right.

I think this also cross into the southern hemisphere this season too as there were questions at one point over meters made by burgess and another player ( I forget who)

I'd be happy to put up a set of figure, but I'm not going to spend hours arguing with William over whether the source is correct or not. If I take them on good faith then that is it, I would not be picking and choosing for any purpose other than to put up the figures.

If I get a moment in the next few weeks I will bang em up and catch up. but quite simply I will be going with just the weekly rounds ie round 1 v round 1. I'm not going to look for equivalent fixtures as come the end of the season they all even out. An I would probably exclude the MM weekend given the arguments over double headers in the WC and just treat it as a stand alone fixture set against last years stand alone fixture.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:25 am  

And If they did not go up in the time you found speedily enough then tough, I have other things to do than count numbers every sunday night.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:35 am  

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=949E9834E91BFD75!107&authkey=!ABW3OsAzsdVQocw&ithint=file%2c.xlsx All the figures are in a spreadsheet as I could not be bothered putting them into a format that fitted week by week Anyway as a summary so far Total attendances 2013 534928 Total attendances 2014 531561 Per fixture 2013 8769.311 Per fixture 2014 8573.565 2013 is currently behind by one fixture.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=949E9834E91BFD75!107&authkey=!ABW3OsAzsdVQocw&ithint=file%2c.xlsx All the figures are in a spreadsheet as I could not be bothered putting them into a format that fitted week by week Anyway as a summary so far Total attendances 2013 534928 Total attendances 2014 531561 Per fixture 2013 8769.311 Per fixture 2014 8573.565 2013 is currently behind by one fixture.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:10 am  

bewareshadows wrote: https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=949E9834E91BFD75!107&authkey=!ABW3OsAzsdVQocw&ithint=file%2c.xlsx All the figures are in a spreadsheet as I could not be bothered putting them into a format that fitted week by week Anyway as a summary so far Total attendances 2013 534928 Total attendances 2014 531561 Per fixture 2013 8769.311 Per fixture 2014 8573.565 2013 is currently behind by one fixture. Note that your 2013 figures include both Wigan v St Helens (DW Stadium) and FC v KR (KC Stadium) which haven't even been played in 2014 yet. totally different comparison.

bewareshadows wrote: https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=949E9834E91BFD75!107&authkey=!ABW3OsAzsdVQocw&ithint=file%2c.xlsx All the figures are in a spreadsheet as I could not be bothered putting them into a format that fitted week by week Anyway as a summary so far Total attendances 2013 534928 Total attendances 2014 531561 Per fixture 2013 8769.311 Per fixture 2014 8573.565 2013 is currently behind by one fixture. Note that your 2013 figures include both Wigan v St Helens (DW Stadium) and FC v KR (KC Stadium) which haven't even been played in 2014 yet. totally different comparison.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:42 am  

JonB95 wrote:

Note that your 2013 figures include both Wigan v St Helens (DW Stadium) and FC v KR (KC Stadium) which haven't even been played in 2014 yet. totally different comparison.

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