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Re: 2019 Super League Ins & Outs : Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:07 pm  
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Players that you now look like having to keep, and know they are not wanted. So are you not aiming for top 5 then this year?


Sinfield has said in public that they are targeting 2020 as the year to get back up with the Wigans,Saints etc.
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Re: 2019 Super League Ins & Outs : Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:14 pm  
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Spot on. For all the criticism of the Leeds team the names rumoured to be offered out Cuthbertson, Parcell and Garbutt, the first two have previously been Dream Team selections and the other one of best metre making props in the league. This under the previous coach who was deemed poor by many Leeds fans, if he could get that out of them and make them key parts of GF winning teams then why can’t the new super dooper better coach do it and more, instead of wildily chasing unrealistic targets who don’t want to come with silly money?


The key quote here is "have previously been" not are. On Garbutt he has missed a lot of the last season and it could be that the injury he has cannot be fixed and Leeds see him as an injury risk.

Cuthbertson and Parcell bad very poor years in 2018 and we don't know if they have been contributors to the diminishing standards of behaviour that Sinfield has experienced on his return to Leeds.

The game has moved on and sadly these players have either stood still or in Cuthbertson's case regressed alarmingly.
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Re: 2019 Super League Ins & Outs : Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:55 pm  
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The key quote here is "have previously been" not are. On Garbutt he has missed a lot of the last season and it could be that the injury he has cannot be fixed and Leeds see him as an injury risk.

Cuthbertson and Parcell bad very poor years in 2018 and we don't know if they have been contributors to the diminishing standards of behaviour that Sinfield has experienced on his return to Leeds.

The game has moved on and sadly these players have either stood still or in Cuthbertson's case regressed alarmingly.


But his mates Ablett and JJB haven’t regressed or been responsible for diminishing standards and they’re staying on. Along with the coaching setup it’s looking very much “jobs for the boys”

Of course players had a poor season last year but to just say that’s it off you go is silly and the challenge should be to get them back to 2017 form. Cuthbertson struggles with us being really short on props and his style of game isn’t suited to being the big yardage heavy hitting prop but what he does offer you when playing well and has other props doing the aforementioned traits is an X factor that you can’t find anywhere else in the league that can crucial. In 2015 & 2017 he had 125 & 121 offloads, to put that into context the next best single season total was 73. When on form he offers you something no one else in the league can match in what can be a crucial area in attack.

Again with Parcell look at the lack of forwards throughout the year, hookers need a pack to work with.

I don’t buy the diminishing standards stuff from Sinfield either. The team won the GF last year after being massively written off and coming back for all the issues of 2016 and got off to a good start this year and put up a credible effort in the WCC and even when the losing streak came in it was usually very close scores against the better teams with plenty of injuries to cope with so definitely showed something was still fine with squad and club even if results weren’t quite going our way. Sinfield came in and said as the weeks went by that the standards at the club were improving yet the efforts on the pitch told a very different story especially considering the level of opposition most of his games were against. Think it was nothing more than a cheap shot to the former coach and getting himself over including saying he won’t be using injuries as an excuse, another clear dig at McDermott. Funnily and hypocritically enough it wasn’t long until he was complaining about too much of his salary cap sat in the stands.

What kind of standards is it to have players hanging around for several weeks not knowing if they’re going to be moved on whilst the club run around chasing fantasy signings? Aiming for big NRL signings might be exciting to fans but put yourself in the players position, not knowing where you could be playing next year whilst some NRL player takes his sweet time debating whether he wants to come over or wait for a better offer Down Under. Compare that to McDermott who backed his players even when they were at their lowest in 2016 and the Cas hammering early 2017 and he said they could win the GF.
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Re: 2019 Super League Ins & Outs : Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:00 pm  
Leeds are talking to Ikahifo frommHuddersfield. Would be a big loss to us if he goes
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Re: 2019 Super League Ins & Outs : Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:52 pm  
Ken Sio to Salford on a three year deal.
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Re: 2019 Super League Ins & Outs : Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:14 pm  
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Leeds are talking to Ikahifo frommHuddersfield. Would be a big loss to us if he goes


About time we tried with realistic targets instead of daydreaming over bringing in in-their-prime NRL forwards.
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Re: 2019 Super League Ins & Outs : Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:49 pm  
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But his mates Ablett and JJB haven’t regressed or been responsible for diminishing standards and they’re staying on. Along with the coaching setup it’s looking very much “jobs for the boys”

Of course players had a poor season last year but to just say that’s it off you go is silly and the challenge should be to get them back to 2017 form. Cuthbertson struggles with us being really short on props and his style of game isn’t suited to being the big yardage heavy hitting prop but what he does offer you when playing well and has other props doing the aforementioned traits is an X factor that you can’t find anywhere else in the league that can crucial. In 2015 & 2017 he had 125 & 121 offloads, to put that into context the next best single season total was 73. When on form he offers you something no one else in the league can match in what can be a crucial area in attack.

Again with Parcell look at the lack of forwards throughout the year, hookers need a pack to work with.

I don’t buy the diminishing standards stuff from Sinfield either. The team won the GF last year after being massively written off and coming back for all the issues of 2016 and got off to a good start this year and put up a credible effort in the WCC and even when the losing streak came in it was usually very close scores against the better teams with plenty of injuries to cope with so definitely showed something was still fine with squad and club even if results weren’t quite going our way. Sinfield came in and said as the weeks went by that the standards at the club were improving yet the efforts on the pitch told a very different story especially considering the level of opposition most of his games were against. Think it was nothing more than a cheap shot to the former coach and getting himself over including saying he won’t be using injuries as an excuse, another clear dig at McDermott. Funnily and hypocritically enough it wasn’t long until he was complaining about too much of his salary cap sat in the stands.

What kind of standards is it to have players hanging around for several weeks not knowing if they’re going to be moved on whilst the club run around chasing fantasy signings? Aiming for big NRL signings might be exciting to fans but put yourself in the players position, not knowing where you could be playing next year whilst some NRL player takes his sweet time debating whether he wants to come over or wait for a better offer Down Under. Compare that to McDermott who backed his players even when they were at their lowest in 2016 and the Cas hammering early 2017 and he said they could win the GF.


I think the view on JJB is that he wont play that much but he is a link for a year to the glory years. I agree about Ablett can't see the value especially as we have alternatives.

Cuthbertson has been in decline since 2015 - 2016 he was dire, 2017 not a lot better and 2018 he was again dire. This is a player that will not improve he is 32 and well past his best. His offloads may be as numerous but nowhere near as effective. He offers little and as such should be gone.

Parcell had a very good year 1 but he was found out in year 2 and could have been difficult off the field. There has to be a reason why Dwyer a rank average player was preferred to him. There has to be reason why he had played so few games in the NRL and why there seems no takers for in there

Sinfield highlighted the cultural behaviour issues - these subtle changes can have significant impacts on the field - could well have been a factor in why the team kept losing tight games.

These players put on notice will still be paid their contract as long as they stay at Leeds. The club is in effect giving them the length of their contract to find another club not telling them at the end of their contract it will not be renewed.

Maybe I didn't hear it but I never heard him do a Wane about injuries - he talked about committment desire and will to win as reasons for losses.

Your support for McDermott is noted - he may have won trophies with quality players he inherited - but the play on the field was turgid but one man's pleasure is another's poison
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Re: 2019 Super League Ins & Outs : Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:53 pm  
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Re: 2019 Super League Ins & Outs : Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:39 pm  
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Another dreadful overseas player - no wonder SL is so pityfully poor

Sio was excellent in his two years with us hence him getting an NRL gig so to say it’s a dreadful signing is ridiculous especially with you signing Hurrel
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Re: 2019 Super League Ins & Outs : Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:53 pm  
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I think the view on JJB is that he wont play that much but he is a link for a year to the glory years. I agree about Ablett can't see the value especially as we have alternatives.

Cuthbertson has been in decline since 2015 - 2016 he was dire, 2017 not a lot better and 2018 he was again dire. This is a player that will not improve he is 32 and well past his best. His offloads may be as numerous but nowhere near as effective. He offers little and as such should be gone.

Parcell had a very good year 1 but he was found out in year 2 and could have been difficult off the field. There has to be a reason why Dwyer a rank average player was preferred to him. There has to be reason why he had played so few games in the NRL and why there seems no takers for in there

Sinfield highlighted the cultural behaviour issues - these subtle changes can have significant impacts on the field - could well have been a factor in why the team kept losing tight games.

These players put on notice will still be paid their contract as long as they stay at Leeds. The club is in effect giving them the length of their contract to find another club not telling them at the end of their contract it will not be renewed.

Maybe I didn't hear it but I never heard him do a Wane about injuries - he talked about committment desire and will to win as reasons for losses.

Your support for McDermott is noted - he may have won trophies with quality players he inherited - but the play on the field was turgid but one man's pleasure is another's poison


Agree to disagree on views on Cuthbertson and Parcell. Again both were hampered by how many front towers we had missing. You say Parcell was found out but any hooker would’ve struggled with the lack of forwards we had in plenty of games and did Dwyer get ahead of him? Parcel was first choice up to the CCSF and missed the next three because of injury, sub the next 2 but back to starting the last 2.

Sinfield definitely did complain about having too much of his salary cap in the stands which made him a hypocrite based on him originally saying he wouldn’t use injuries as an excuse.

I agree that cultural behaviour issues can have a big impact on the field.....that why when the performances and efforts in the games Sinfield was in charge are telling because they were way way worst when factoring in the opposition. We were fortunate we weren’t playing top 8 teams regularly under his brief reign otherwise it would’ve been 40-50 point defeats regularly. Despite him claiming the culture started to improve under him the performances say they got worst so quite poor form for him to keep banging that drum in his interviews. What was he trying to achieve by constantly bringing this up BTW? Your not just critising the previous coach but the whole squad and members of coaching staff who remained by criticising the culture. He’s a guy who said in As Good As It Gets things that happen in the dressing rooms should be kept in-house yet he couldn’t stop going on about the poor culture and boasting of how he had improved it even though the players didn’t for a second look like they were playing for him.
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