Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:42 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Oops
The fact remains that the thread was started to counter Billy's 2013 thread.....as soon as the attendances dropped, the updates dried up......I have no doubt that when the attendances rise, so will the faithful.

They were still up when I made that post, using my figures. Not sure what you find so amusing.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:45 pm  

Shoe Shine Johnny wrote:

Which one of you two is Bonnie and which one is Clyde? Or do you take turns wearing the dress?

Bonnie and Clyde?

Pffft.

Now if you'd said Mickey and Mallory...

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:48 pm  

Shoe Shine Johnny wrote:

People who were saying that the WC would have a knock-on effect on SL crowds were being absolutely deluded. For a start, very few of the WC stars were actually playing in SL week in week out.

The quality of the football is dropping and when that happens people will pick and choose games. The new system coming in will see people pick and choose even more.

If this sort of pattern is replicated next year, then Hull KR, Salford and Catalans would be looking ahead to games with Doncaster, Leigh, Dewsbury etc. How is that going to get people through the door?

Yes but Doncaster,Leigh and Dewsbury fans will be looking ahead to games against HKR,Salford and Catalans, so things balance out, providing of course your fan base is loyal, not just SL centric

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:56 pm  

Starbug wrote:

Yes but Doncaster,Leigh and Dewsbury fans will be looking ahead to games against HKR,Salford and Catalans, so things balance out, providing of course your fan base is loyal, not just SL centric

Yes I can see that, but the sad fact is that those SL clubs secured in the bottom four will see crowds dwindle in the last few weeks before the split. So in effect, Doncaster, Leigh and Dewsbury fans might be looking forward to those games but won't be seeing those clubs at their best - which is a real shame.

Take Bradford now as an example, by 20 games in their home attendances may be down to 4-5k per game. If they could only muster that for Hull KR, Widnes, Warrington etc - how many will go for the second group of 8 games against Doncaster and Leigh? The fact it all takes place in the same season will always impact on the interest.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:07 pm  

William Eve wrote:

Club... Games... 2014... 2013... %gain/loss
Salford... 5... 30606... 14601... +109.62%
St Helens... 5... 68355... 59620... +14.65%
Hull KR... 5... 42736... 37677... +13.43%
Castleford... 5... 36815... 33288... +10.60%
Leeds... 5... 71446... 71641... -0.27%
Widnes... 5... 29482... 29788... -1.03%
Wigan... 6... 78169... 80918... -3.40%
Warrington... 5... 54261... 57026... -4.85%
Hull... 6... 60645... 65173... -6.95%
Huddersfield... 4... 28494... 30739... -7.30%
Bradford... 5... 36655... 42739... -14.24%
Catalans... 4... 32351... 40229... -19.58%
Wakefield... 4... 18435... 28598... -35.54%
London... 5... 5678... 9953... -42.95%

********************************************

Current Average Attendances V Same Fixtures Last Year
Club... SL:2014... (SL:2013)
Leeds... 14289... (14328)
St Helens... 13671... (11924)
Wigan... 13028... (13486)
Warrington... 10852... (11405)
Hull... 10108... (10862)
Hull KR... 8547... (7535)
Catalans... 8088... (10057)
Castleford... 7363... (6658)
Bradford... 7331... (8548)
Huddersfield... 7124... (7685)
Salford... 6121... (2920)
Widnes... 5896... (5958)
Wakefield... 4609... (7150)
London... 1136... (1991)

Interesting to see in all these views of it being the league format/player loss to NRL/recession etc,......how it can sometimes come down to the simple and basic.....how well is your team playing, note the increase at Castleford vs the decrease at Warrington.

London/Bradford/Wakey is what we expected.

If they look less and less likely as Playoff contenders what will the Salford average end up as?

Catalans continue to be poor and questions need to be asked about what's happening with them before they slide further back.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:09 pm  

Shoe Shine Johnny wrote:

Yes I can see that, but the sad fact is that those SL clubs secured in the bottom four will see crowds dwindle in the last few weeks before the split. So in effect, Doncaster, Leigh and Dewsbury fans might be looking forward to those games but won't be seeing those clubs at their best - which is a real shame.

Take Bradford now as an example, by 20 games in their home attendances may be down to 4-5k per game. If they could only muster that for Hull KR, Widnes, Warrington etc - how many will go for the second group of 8 games against Doncaster and Leigh? The fact it all takes place in the same season will always impact on the interest.

Its sad a ffuuckv that people like you continue to live the SL lie

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:11 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Interesting to see in all these views of it being the league format/player loss to NRL/recession etc,......how it can sometimes come down to the simple and basic.....how well is your team playing, note the increase at Castleford vs the decrease at Warrington.

London/Bradford/Wakey is what we expected.

If they look less and less likely as Playoff contenders what will the Salford average end up as?

Catalans continue to be poor and questions need to be asked about what's happening with them before they slide further back.

Catalans have seen their last two attendances top 9,500 so they are one club that are actually improving their attendances as the season goes on - after a very poor start.

For RL clubs, volatility in crowds has often been a reflection of form. Sadly, fans desert losing teams - this is why the manufactured 2015 model will have no impact on crowds at the lower end. By the time the split happens many fans of the bottom 4 SL clubs will have stopped attending.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:20 pm  

j.c wrote:

Its sad a ffuuckv that people like you continue to live the SL lie

I actually support a Championship club so I don't really get your point. The model should be 12 clubs with one up one down. Then the successful promoted Championship club would get the full SL experience and not a few games against clubs who have been getting spanked in SL for 23 rounds.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:31 pm  

Shoe Shine Johnny wrote:

I actually support a Championship club so I don't really get your point. The model should be 12 clubs with one up one down. Then the successful promoted Championship club would get the full SL experience and not a few games against clubs who have been getting spanked in SL for 23 rounds.

I'd like to see the new format succeed because I've had a gutful of the failed franchising model of 14 teams, top 8 play-off system, licensed mediocrity, the rendering of the regular season as totally meaningless. This season it's effectively an 11 team comp (due to the financial trials and tribulations of 3 current basket-case franchises) with a top 8 play-off system rendering the regular season even more meaningless!

I would have preferred a 10 team top division (I don't want to call it Super League because it's such a childish moniker) with a return of the top 5 play-off system and two up, two down P&R bare minimum. Credibility, meaning and importance must be returned to the regular season.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:40 pm  

Well it's not the healthiest set of numbers I've ever seen, but there are some interesting figures.

I thought we (Saints) would be up given the yo-yo of moving to a new stadia.

Hull KR is interesting. Up without much change in terms of league placing.

Last years league leaders down??? Go figure winning all those games did not pull in the punters?

The percentage drop off from Catalan is also a little surprising, given it's of the same magnitude as Bradfords.

Leeds to Wigan is where most gains in the season will probably be likely. IF they happen. Especially given Wigan and Leeds recent success towards the end of the year.