Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:16 am  

Well done Super League. With what's going on at Bradford & London to be only 1.31% down on last year is a a superb effort.

Especially when you consider that both Football & RU are down by over 5%

If Wigan/Saints was at Wigan this weekend, Leeds/Bradford had been at Headingley and Hull/Rovers had been at the KC like they all were last Easter then those figures would have been showing a positive.

Great start to the season.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:29 am  

loiner81 wrote:

If Wigan/Saints was at Wigan this weekend

The attendance this weekend at the DW Stadium would have had to be well in excess of last season's Wigan V Saints attendance of 23,861 at the DW Stadium to have had any positive effect on the overall percentage figures.

loiner81 wrote:

Leeds/Bradford had been at Headingley

The attendance this weekend at Headingley would have had to be well in excess of last season's Leeds V Bradford attendance of 16,604 at Headingley to have had any positive effect on the overall percentage figures.

loiner81 wrote:

and Hull/Rovers had been at the KC like they all were last Easter

The attendance this weekend at the KC Stadium would have had to be well in excess of last season's Hull FC V Hull KR attendance of 19,064 at the KC Stadium to have had any positive effect on the overall percentage figures.

loiner81 wrote:

then those figures would have been showing a positive.

You don't appear to understand the logic behind like-for-like attendance comparisons do you?

loiner81 wrote:

Great start to the season.

I shudder to contemplate what attendances would be regarded as a poor start to the season in "loiner81world".

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:39 am  

William Eve wrote:

The attendance this weekend at the DW Stadium would have had to be well in excess of last season's Wigan V Saints attendance of 23,861 at the DW Stadium to have had any positive effect on the overall percentage figures.

No it wouldn't

William Eve wrote:

The attendance this weekend at Headingley would have had to be well in excess of last season's Leeds V Bradford attendance of 16,604 at Headingley to have had any positive effect on the overall percentage figures.

No it wouldn't

William Eve wrote:

The attendance this weekend at the KC Stadium would have had to be well in excess of last season's Hull FC V Hull KR attendance of 19,064 at the KC Stadium to have had any positive effect on the overall percentage figures.

Hey guess what, no it wouldn't.

William Eve wrote:

You don't appear to understand the logic behind like-for-like attendance comparisons do you?

Well one of us doesn't..

William Eve wrote:

I shudder to contemplate what attendances would be regarded as a poor start to the season in "loiner81world".

Certainly not a 1% drop when 2 clubs have completely fallen apart and other sports are showing 5% drops

But then i'm not out to spread faux doom and gloom across the internet, pretending to be the voice of reason.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:42 am  

loiner81 wrote:

Especially when you consider that both Football & RU are down by 5%.

What happened to not comparing league to union?

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:50 am  

gutterfax wrote:

What happened to not comparing league to union?

I didn't, i compared League to the 2 other weekly round sports that are closest to ours to show that weekly round sport attendance in general is down.

And out of the 3, RL is showing the lowest % drop which is great news and should be applauded.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:04 am  

loiner81 wrote:

No it wouldn't

Yes it would because had the Wigan/Saints game been played at the DW Stadium this weekend, I'd have compared it's attendance to the 23,861 who turned up last year for the same fixture at the same venue instead. However, given that the attendance figures are based upon comparing the same fixtures to last season, the Saints/Wigan game this weekend at Langtree Park (attendance 17,980) was compared to the attendance of 14,204 for the same fixture at the same venue last season. That's how like-for-like comparisons work.

loiner81 wrote:

No it wouldn't

Yes it would because had the Leeds/Bradford game been played at Headingley this weekend, I'd have compared it's attendance to the 16,604 who turned up last year for the same fixture at the same venue instead. However, given that the attendance figures are based upon comparing the same fixtures to last season, the Bradford/Leeds game this weekend at Odsal (attendance 10,106) was compared to the attendance of 12,016 for the same fixture at the same venue last season. That's how like-for-like comparisons work.

loiner81 wrote:

Hey guess what, no it wouldn't.

Hey, guess what? Yes it would because had the Hull/Hull KR game been played at the KC this weekend, I'd have compared it's attendance to the 19,064 who turned up last year for the same fixture at the same venue instead. However, given that the attendance figures are based upon comparing the same fixtures to last season, the Hull KR/Hull game this weekend at the KC Lightstream Stadium (attendance 10,197) was compared to the attendance of 8,874 for the same fixture at the same venue last season. That's how like-for-like comparisons work.

loiner81 wrote:

Well one of us doesn't..

Quite. Did I suggest earlier that you don't appear to understand the logic behind like-for-like attendance comparisons? Please allow me to amend that earlier statement.

"You definitely do not understand the logic behind like-for-like attendance comparisons".

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:20 am  

Well... With you harping on about a 1% drop overall on last year I just skimmed over your essays and assumed you were just comparing round for round.

Which still doesn't alter the fact that even with these supposedly shocking figures we're still only showing a 1% drop overall and massively out performing football and RU. Even with London and Bradford falling apart.

Well done Sooper Dooper League

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:26 am  

loiner81 wrote:

Well... With you harping on about a 1% drop overall on last year I just skimmed over it and assumed you were just comparing round for round.

Which still doesn't alter the fact that even with these supposedly shocking figures we're still only showing a 1% drop overall and massively out performing football and RU. Even with London and Bradford falling apart.

Well done Sooper Dooper League

I respectfully request you stop comparing stuff to union because if you don't, next year could get pretty messy......their RWC rolls into town and it will be close to 50% up on the last one and 500% bigger than its RLWC counterpart!

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:52 am  

loiner81 wrote:

Well done Super League. With what's going on at Bradford & London to be only 1.31% down on last year is a a superb effort.

Especially when you consider that both Football & RU are down by over 5%

If Wigan/Saints was at Wigan this weekend, Leeds/Bradford had been at Headingley and Hull/Rovers had been at the KC like they all were last Easter then those figures would have been showing a positive.

Great start to the season.

Certainly not a 1% drop when 2 clubs have completely fallen apart and other sports are showing 5% drops

But then i'm not out to spread faux doom and gloom across the internet, pretending to be the voice of reason.

I didn't, i compared League to the 2 other weekly round sports that are closest to ours to show that weekly round sport attendance in general is down.

And out of the 3, RL is showing the lowest % drop which is great news and should be applauded.

Which still doesn't alter the fact that even with these supposedly shocking figures we're still only showing a 1% drop overall and massively out performing football and RU. Even with London and Bradford falling apart.

Well done Sooper Dooper League

Since you like to deal in facts, and are not in the business of spreading faux doom, you might want to explain why you overlooked the fact that Premier league attendances are up this season, and not 5% down as you seem to be suggesting?

2013: 35,921
2014: 36,490

That's a 1.5% increase, not a 5% decrease. Not to mention "massively outperforming other sports" is a bit rich when you consider the Premier league's lowest drawing club still outdraws the highest attended SL club.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:17 am  

So, the return of P+R is not attracting the fans we were promised it would then. ‘Every game meaning something’ is not making sure clubs don’t give up and try in every game either it seems.