Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:25 am  

Starbug wrote:

Yes but Doncaster,Leigh and Dewsbury fans will be looking ahead to games against HKR,Salford and Catalans, so things balance out, providing of course your fan base is loyal, not just SL centric

you mean like Leighs that dropped by a half after relegation from SL?

If Leigh's fall in fans post relegation is replicated then, Dewburys attendance would need rise about 400% to cover the fall at les catalans, Doncasters would need to rise about 300 % to cover Salfords loss, and Leigh's would need to more than double to cover the drop at HKR.

So no, things dont balance out. We just have fewer fans paying to watch games when we have P+R

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:34 am  

Shoe Shine Johnny wrote:

I actually support a Championship club so I don't really get your point. The model should be 12 clubs with one up one down. Then the successful promoted Championship club would get the full SL experience and not a few games against clubs who have been getting spanked in SL for 23 rounds.

I thought we'd tried this not long ago and it was deemed a failure?

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:48 am  

I was. P+R is a disaster for a game that has at most 16 competitive sides (and that's pushing it).

You don't make some of the sides outside SL that could be competitive better by giving them one season against teams that will be better funded, better supported, and have first bite at the cherry on newly available players. That's a route to teams getting hammered and going straight back down. It happened at Leigh, and it would have happened at Catalans and Widnes were it not for liscencing. Fast forward, Les Dragons & Widnes haqve produced a cohort of young local players, performing well in the league and growing their crowds.

Liscencing works, and 12s & 8s is a terrible bodge job of a halfway house, which will be dropped within 3 years at most, as it was in the Scottish Football League.

It's really very simple:

-Liscencing
-Fixed criteria for promotion
-Any team that meets the criteria is permitted in
-no competing for liscences, if there are 15 clubs that meet criteria there'll be 15 rounds.
-SC increase & star player rule.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:53 am  

Nightman wrote:

Since you like to deal in facts, and are not in the business of spreading faux doom, you might want to explain why you overlooked the fact that Premier league attendances are up this season, and not 5% down as you seem to be suggesting?

2013: 35,921
2014: 36,490

That's a 1.5% increase, not a 5% decrease. Not to mention "massively outperforming other sports" is a bit rich when you consider the Premier league's lowest drawing club still outdraws the highest attended SL club.

loiner81 wrote:

RU average attendances down by about 500 per club on last season
Championship football down by about 1000 per club on last season
RL changing weekly, might be up but may well be down. TBC in October.

Anyone would think there was some kind of recession on or something..

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:59 am  

gutterfax wrote:

I respectfully request you stop comparing stuff to union because if you don't, next year could get pretty messy......their RWC rolls into town and it will be close to 50% up on the last one and 500% bigger than its RLWC counterpart!

And again, I wasn't singling out any other sports.

Your continued obsession with bringing RU into every thread is getting pretty embarrassing though, especially when I was talking about weekly round sports and even made a point of saying "weekly round" twice in the same sentence...

loiner81 wrote:

I didn't, i compared League to the 2 other weekly round sports that are closest to ours to show that weekly round sport attendance in general is down.

And out of the 3, RL is showing the lowest % drop which is great news and should be applauded.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:01 am  

loiner81 wrote:

Well... With you harping on about a 1% drop overall on last year I just skimmed over your essays and assumed you were just comparing round for round.

Indeed, and so you should be embarrassed. I expect higher standards from those utilising 'loiner' as part of their username. There's no hope for anyone attached to the cretinous 'rhinos' moniker.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:06 am  

William Eve wrote:

Indeed, and so you should be embarrassed. I expect higher standards from those utilising 'loiner' as part of their username. There's no hope for anyone attached to the cretinous 'rhinos' moniker.

It was 2am, I'd been subjected to 2 hours of incessant drumming and trumpeting at Headingley, was tired and had a brainfart. No other excuses

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:25 am  

William Eve wrote:

As promised on this thread earlier today.....snip

Cheers for the stats William .

Glad to see the league table back, good to see Salford’s meteoritic rise to the top of the table they were always going to be up there, but they are a fickle bunch .

HKR going well too, is the new stand the key, with more opposing fans showing up, or has the home crowd increased – not sure, but great effort.

Many of the others are relative to their starts to the season, which is to be expected.

The strange one for me is Wigan, C.C & G.F winners yet an attendance decline, have they reached their peak? If so, very worrying for the game as a whole if this is as good as it gets.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:35 am  

I think the Wigan one is a bit unusual, but they are within a reasonable gap to cover their early losses.

Also as these are like for like comparisions and not round for round, could it be that Wiganers tend to up their attendance come the end of the year.

I think they have also introduced a new membership scheme for a one off fee you get discounts. Some may have bought into this rather than the season ticket.

To be honest the ups and downs when taken collectively look very marginal at the moment. Hardly a ringing endorsement for anyone trying to push any agenda.

Just seems to fit with annual variations that would occur anyway.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:37 am  

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

The strange one for me is Wigan, C.C & G.F winners yet an attendance decline, have they reached their peak? If so, very worrying for the game as a whole if this is as good as it gets.

Sam Tomkins leaving?