[Bulliac]

: Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:35 pm  

bobm wrote:

...no it isn't...not in most cases anyway, as offside is judged at time of pass not the catch.

I`m not so sure about that Bob. You`re right about when the offside is judged but If a passer throws the ball to a player who isn`t in front of him it isn`t a forward pass. I`d say the vast majority of forward passes are thrown because the receiver has overrun the passer ie. is offside.

: Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:43 pm  

Bulliac wrote:

but If a passer throws the ball to a player who isn`t in front of him it isn`t a forward pass.

That's not correct, the player receiving the ball may be behind that passer but have to run forward to catch the ball.

: Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:52 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

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Am I making the point any clearer?

your point is clear and has already been addressed, for no reason at all you ate defining a 'knock' as any action which isn't a 'throw' you are also deciding there is a ruling where a pass is judged relative to the player and a knock is judged relative to the ground, yet there is nothing in the rules to describe that as being the case, a forward pass is where the ball has been passed forward and a knock is where the ball has been knocked forward, the momentum ruling is simply added clarification, it doest change anything and if I were to be removed the rules would be exactly the same as they are now. Both describe a action (the knock or the pass) causing an effect (the ball going forward) for an offence to be committed the action has to cause the effect, if it doesn't it isn't an offence as described in the rules. In both the tadulala and jjb incidents the action(the knock) wasn't the cause of the effect (the ball going forward) and as per the rules should have been given!

That's one problem with the rule, not even addressing the fact jjb no more ' knocked it than he did pass it, nor does it address whether pass and throw are interchangeable

If we are going to referee it your way, fine, let's put it in the rules, there is no reason not to, just as there is no reason for us to collectively pretend it's in there

: Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:06 pm  

If the ball is knocked backwards, hits the ground and then bounces forward, is that a knock on? Or is the movement after it comes into contact with the ground deemed irrelevant?